Number Of His Name

[Thinkingstuff]

Revelation 13:17 And that no man might buy or sell, save he that had the mark, or the name of the beast, or the number of his name.

Revelation 13:18 Here is wisdom. Let him that hath understanding count the number of the beast: for it is the number of a man; and his number is Six hundred threescore and six.


These protestant bible scholars believed that the pope is an antichrist or that the antichrist would be the last pope:
Martin Luther, John Calvin, John Wesley, Cotton Mather, John Knox, Wycliffe, Tyndale, Finney, Moody, Spurgeon, Sir Isaac Newton, and Fox.

During the Reformation, Martin Luther noted that "Benediktos" added up to 666 in Greek gematria, and he thought it might refer to a Pope named Benedict or to Benedictine monks.

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Benedict xvi is the pope now.
However I believe from what the bible says that the Ezekiel chapters 38 and 39 prophecy must happen before antichrist comes to power over the 10 nations of the EU, the revived Roman empire. The Ezekiel prophecy is about nations, Russia, Iran/Iraq, Ethiopia, Germany or France uniting in a coalition to attack Israel. That is not about to happen yet, although the middled east is moving in that direction. Recently Israel threatened by a military exercise to attack Iran's nuclear facilities and Russia warned them to back off. If Israel does attack Iran, this could make Russia angry enough to form the coalition to attack Israel in just a few years, while Benedict is still pope. This guy pope Benedict was a Hitler youth and grew up in a country where the catholic Govt. of Germany was murdering people of other religions in the holocaust. [I read that the third reich was the most catholic controlled Govt. Germany ever had.] Before he became pope, he was the head of the modern "office of the inquisition" which now has another name, something like the society for the propagation of the faith or something like that. Seeing his background it seems to me that he could have the mentality of the antichrist.
The antichrist is supposed to obtain the kingdom by flattery, Dan. 11. Is pope Benedict using flattery on the leaders of the European Union? If the Ezekiel prophecy happens soon enough, he could be the antichrist.!! We will need to wait and see. I know he is an old man, but aging can be greatly slowed down by vitamins, calcium and alot of sleep. He could last a long time.

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Cut it out. its nonsence. People have always had formularies to determine the number of the beast and who it might have been. It never has panned out for any of them. European union, United Nations, you can keep going on to what one world government it could be. the Lord will return. I'm looking forward to it. I'm looking for the resurection from the dead too. But looking for the beast is a waste of time. I've heard people say it was Obama. Phaaaa! I'm more interested in this verse. "not every one who calls me lord, lord will enter the kingdom" and again "they will say when lord have we not fed you, or gave you drink? and he will say when you have not done it to the least of these my bretheren you have not done it for me." It's my paraphrase but you get the point. If the Anti-christ is still to come and a tribulation is still to come then it will be obvious who it is and if it is to be the pretrib we'll be with Jesus, if not we will be worried about survival for 3 1/2 years. Christianity is waiting for Jesus expectant return not the Anti-christ which may have already come. Caligula errected a statue of himself at the temple in Jerusalem. Titus began a harsh persecution of christians as did Nero. The temple was destroyed and the Roman Empire succumbed to christianity.

 

[antiaging]

Cut it out. its nonsence. People have always had formularies to determine the number of the beast and who it might have been. It never has panned out for any of them. European union, United Nations, you can keep going on to what one world government it could be. the Lord will return. I'm looking forward to it. I'm looking for the resurection from the dead too. But looking for the beast is a waste of time. I've heard people say it was Obama. Phaaaa! I'm more interested in this verse. "not every one who calls me lord, lord will enter the kingdom" and again "they will say when lord have we not fed you, or gave you drink? and he will say when you have not done it to the least of these my bretheren you have not done it for me." It's my paraphrase but you get the point. If the Anti-christ is still to come and a tribulation is still to come then it will be obvious who it is and if it is to be the pretrib we'll be with Jesus, if not we will be worried about survival for 3 1/2 years. Christianity is waiting for Jesus expectant return not the Anti-christ which may have already come. Caligula errected a statue of himself at the temple in Jerusalem. Titus began a harsh persecution of christians as did Nero. The temple was destroyed and the Roman Empire succumbed to christianity.

Since the pre trib position is FALSE and the rapture will really happen near the end of the tribulaion period, it is very important to know where the antichrist will come from to try to avoid his attempts to kill the christians.

Important biblical characters have actions that mirror the definitions of there names:
It was that way with Abraham, Jacob, Jesus [emanuel], Gideon, etc.
Antichrist is an important biblical character

Joseph Ratzinger alias Benedict XVI
Let's look at the definition of his name in English: [American heritage dictionary]
Ratzinger
Rat;-- a long tailed rodent; a despicable, sneaky person especially one who betrays his associates.

Zinger;--2. A sudden shock, revelation, or turn of events....

Definition: Ratzinger
A despicable sneaky betrayer, suddenly revealed

Watch how he betrays the separated brethren in the future {ie. the protestants} if he is the antichrist.

 

[NaasPreacher (C4K)]

Joseph Ratzinger alias Benedict XVI
Let's look at the definition of his name in English: [American heritage dictionary]
Ratzinger
Rat;-- a long tailed rodent; a despicable, sneaky person especially one who betrays his associates.

Zinger;--2. A sudden shock, revelation, or turn of events....

Definition: Ratzinger
A despicable sneaky betrayer, suddenly revealed

Watch how he betrays the separated brethren in the future {ie. the protestants} if he is the antichrist.

Okay - I finally know for sure - this is a joke - LOLOL :laugh:

 

[Ed Edwards]

Antiaging: //Since the pre trib position is FALSE and the rapture will really happen near the end of the tribulaion period, it is very important to know where the antichrist will come from to try to avoid his attempts to kill the christians.//

Your statement is incorrect, even if the post-trib-only rapture is correct (which it isn't), read your Bible.

1 Corinthians 13:3 (NIV):
If I give all I possess to the poor and surrender my body to the flames, but have not love, I gain nothing.

1 Corinthians 13:3 (Geneva Bible, 1599 Edition):
And though I feede the poore with all my goods, and though I giue my body, that I be burned, and haue not loue, it profiteth me nothing.

The Bible is clear: It is alright to give your body up to death at the hands of the enemy, knowing that your soul is saved. Giving your body is much more important than 'to know where the antichrist will come from to try to avoid his attempts to kill the christians'. Tricking the Antichrist is the stuff millionare fiction authors make up -- not scripture.

All you need to know about the antichrist is found in a Veggie Tales song my 4-year-old (now 12) nephew shared with me:

God is bigger than the boogie man,
Bigger than Godzilla or the monsters on TV!
God is bigger than the boogie man,
And he watches over you and me!

Of course, don't give your body to be burned by the enemy if you don't have 'the Love of Jesus down in your heart'.

 

[antiaging]

Okay - I finally know for sure - this is a joke - LOLOL :laugh:

Jacob meant heal grabber or supplanter. He lived up to his name in taking the birthright and blessing from his older brother. When he wrestled the angel, God changed his name to Israel, a name he also lived up to.
Abram became Abraham, a father of many nations, something he lived up to.
Gideon was called Jurbaal, because he cast down the alter of Baal.
Jesus is called Emmanuel, meaning God with us.

Major biblical characters have names and the definitions of those names describe what they would do or be.
Antichrist is a major biblical character. So the definition of his name should be important.
It just so happens that the name ratzinger in English has a definition that fits what the antichrist is supposed to be like.

 

[antiaging]

From the O.P.: //However I believe from what the bible says that the Ezekiel chapters 38 and 39 prophecy must happen before antichrist comes to power over the 10 nations of the EU, the revived Roman empire.//

I've talked to a Jewish Rabbinical Student who says the Teaching Rabbis (Pharisee Sect) teach that Ezekiel Chapter 38 and Ezekiel Chapter 39 are TWO different invasions of Yisrael. If so, Ezekiel Chapter 38 would refer to the invasion of Yisrael about the time of the appearance of the Antichrist; the Ezekiel Chapter 39 invasion of Yisrael would be the war after the Millennial Messianic Kingdom lead by Satan.

Jewish Rabbis cannot understand scripture correctly because they are not saved.
Chapter breaks were arbitrarily added and aren't in the original.
It can be easily seen from the text that 38 leads right into 39 and they are referring to the same battle.

Ezekiel 38:23 Thus will I magnify myself, and sanctify myself; and I will be known in the eyes of many nations, and they shall know that I [am] the LORD.

Ezekiel 39:1 Therefore, thou son of man, prophesy against Gog, and say, Thus saith the Lord GOD; Behold, I [am] against thee, O Gog, the chief prince of Meshech and Tubal:

therefore---that word connects the two

 

[targus]

Since the pre trib position is FALSE and the rapture will really happen near the end of the tribulaion period, it is very important to know where the antichrist will come from to try to avoid his attempts to kill the christians.

Important biblical characters have actions that mirror the definitions of there names:
It was that way with Abraham, Jacob, Jesus [emanuel], Gideon, etc.
Antichrist is an important biblical character

Joseph Ratzinger alias Benedict XVI
Let's look at the definition of his name in English: [American heritage dictionary]
Ratzinger
Rat;-- a long tailed rodent; a despicable, sneaky person especially one who betrays his associates.

Zinger;--2. A sudden shock, revelation, or turn of events....

Definition: Ratzinger
A despicable sneaky betrayer, suddenly revealed

Watch how he betrays the separated brethren in the future {ie. the protestants} if he is the antichrist.

"ant i a ging"

Ant - insects of the family Formicidae

Ging - a conspiracy against me (Webster's Revised Unabridged Dictionary)


Your name means that you are an ant that is conspiring against yourself.

I guess that we will have to watch to see how you betray yourself in the future.

BTW - exactly why did you choose a name containing "anti" as in the antichrist?

Are you trying to tell us something?

 

[Amy.G]

"ant i a ging"

Ant - insects of the family Formicidae

Ging - a conspiracy against me (Webster's Revised Unabridged Dictionary)


Your name means that you are an ant that is conspiring against yourself.

I guess that we will have to watch to see how you betray yourself in the future.

BTW - exactly why did you choose a name containing "anti" as in the antichrist?

Are you trying to tell us something?

Thanks! I needed that!

 

[Ed Edwards]

I believe in every generation since 70AD (or maybe 30-AD?) God has had an evil man who could immediately take the role of 'antichrist'.

 

[ReformedBaptist]

You want some facts?

Martin Luther
(1483-1546) (Lutheran)
"We here are of the conviction that the papacy is the seat of the true and real Antichrist...personally I declare that I owe the Pope no other obedience than that to Antichrist." (Aug. 18, 1520)

John Calvin
(1509-1564) (Presbyterian)
"Some persons think us too severe and censorious when we call the Roman pontiff Antichrist. But those who are of this opinion do not consider that they bring the same charge of presumption against Paul himself, after whom we speak and whose language we adopt...I shall briefly show that (Paul's words in II Thess. 2) are not capable of any other interpretation than that which applies them to the Papacy." Taken from "Institutes" by John Calvin.

Cotton Mather
(1663-1728) (Congregational Theologian)
"The oracles of God foretold the rising of an Antichrist in the Christian Church; and in the Pope of Rome, all the characteristics of that Antichrist are so marvelously answered that if any who read the Scriptures do not see it, there is a marvelous blindness upon them." Taken from "The Fall of Babylon" by Cotton Mather
John Knox
(1505-1572) (Scotch Presbyterian)
Knox wrote to abolish "that tyranny which the pope himself has for so many ages exercised over the church" and that the pope should be recognized as "the very antichrist, and son of perdition, of whom Paul speaks." Taken from "The Zurich Letters" pg. 199 by John Knox.

Thomas Cranmer
(1489-1556) (Anglican)
"Whereof it followeth Rome to be the seat of antichrist, and the pope to be very antichrist himself. I could prove the same by many other scriptures, old writers, and strong reasons." (Referring to prophecies in Revelation and Daniel.) Taken from "Works" by Cranmer, Vol. 1, pp. 6-7.

John Wesley
(1703-1791) (Methodist)
Speaking of the Papacy he said, "He is in an emphatical sense, the Man of Sin, as he increases all manner of sin above measure. And he is, too, properly styled the Son of Perdition, as he has caused the death of numberless multitudes, both of his opposers and followers...He it is...that exalteth himself above all that is called God, or that is worshiped...claiming the highest power, and highest honor...claiming the prerogatives which belong to God alone." Taken from "Antichrist and His Ten Kingdoms" by John Wesley, pg. 110.

Roger William
(1603-1683) (First Baptist Pastor in America)
He spoke of the Pope as "the pretended Vicar of Christ on earth, who sits as God over the Temple of God, exalting himself not only above all that is called God, but over the souls and consciences of all his vessals, yea over the Spirit of Christ, over the Holy Spirit, yea, and God himself...speaking against the God of heaven, thinking to changed times and laws: but he is the son of perdition (II Thess. 2)."
You can add to those names these men that thought the pope is an antichrist:
Wycliff, Tyndale, Sir Isaac Newton, Fox, Finney, Moody, Spurgeon.

"It is the bounden duty of every Christian to pray against Antichrist. And as to what Antichrist is, no sane man ought to raise a question. If it be not Popery in the Church of Rome, there is nothing in the world that can be called by that name. . . . Popery is contrary to Christ’s gospel and is the Antichrist and we ought to pray against it." ~Charles Haddon Spurgeon, 1873 England’s Prince of Preachers Quoted by Ireland’s Ian Paisley Protest of the Pope in Parliament

Pope's title vicar of Christ means antichrist by definition.
JESUS CHRIST HAS NO VlCAR. Vicar, from the Latin "vicarius" means "in the place of" e.g. vicarius sacrifice of Christ being His sacrifice in the place of the sinner. Papal claims such as infallibility, Head of the Church, Holy Father, all seek to put the Pope in the place of Christ, which place only the Living Christ can have. This false assumption of Rome is expressly put forward in the Papal title "Vicar of Jesus Christ".
The New Testament was written in Greek, and the Greek translation of " vicar of Christ" is "Anti (instead of)-christos", or in our English Bible, "Antichrist". The word "Antichrist" is not just a word of wild insult, but is a Bible warning of the false role assumed by the Popes of Rome as supposed vicars of Christ, (See 1 John 2:18 D.V.).
The Greek word for "Vice President" is "Anti-Proedros"; Because Anti, which means opposite, also means "replacement" or "instead", as in Vicar or Viceroy or Vicarious.

Anyone pretending to be a substitute for Jesus Christ on the Earth is by definition an antichrist. There is only one mediator between God and men, the man Christ Jesus. He does not have a substitute, though some pretend to be.

1 Timothy 2:5 For there is one God, and one mediator between God and men, the man Christ Jesus;
The office of Pope does not come from the bible. Roman Pontiff comes from the old pagan Roman religion. All of the Roman emporers following Julius Caesar were chief Roman Pontiff.

The office of pope itself pretends to be a substitute for Jesus and therefore any pope is an antichrist.

The Bull Unam Sanctam... Issued by POPE BONIFACE VIII reads as follows: "The Roman Pontiff judges all men, but is judged by no one. We declare, assert, define and pronounce: to be subject to the Roman Pontiff is to every human creature necessary for salvation that which was spoken of Christ 'thou has subdued all things under his feet' may well seem verified in me... I have the authority of the King of Kings. I am all in all and above all, so that God himself and I, the vicar of God, have but one consistory, and I am able to do all that God can do." "Christ entrusted His office to the chief pontiff;... but all power in heaven and in earth has been given to Christ;... therefore the chief pontiff, who is His vicar, will have this power." Corpus Juris chap. 1 column 29, translated from a gloss on the words Porro Subesse Romano Pontiff "We hold upon this earth the place of God Almighty" ...Pope Leo XIII "All the names which are attributed to Christ in Scripture, inplying His supremacy over the church, are also attributed to the Pope." Bellamin, "On the Authority of Councils," book 2, Chapter 17. "For thou art the shepherd, thou art the physician, thou art the director, thou art the husbandman, finally thou art another God on earth." Labbe and Cossart's "History of the Councils." Vol. XIV, col. 109 The title "Lord God the Pope" can be found within a gloss of Extravagantes of Pope John XXII, title 14, chapter 4, Declaramus.

Amen. I am not 100% certain yet (though I strongly lean in this direction) that the papacy is THE Antichrist, but that it is antichrist is certain.

 

[Ed Edwards]

Revelation 18:13 says the Beast from the Sea has 'the number of a man'. I believe that the this Antichrist will be a human NOT a demon {though later he will be indwelt by the Unholy Spirit (AKA: Satan) } and NOT an office. (Though I won't preclude that the Antichrist could be a Jewish Pope.)

 

[antiaging]

Antiaging: //Since the pre trib position is FALSE and the rapture will really happen near the end of the tribulaion period, it is very important to know where the antichrist will come from to try to avoid his attempts to kill the christians.//

Your statement is incorrect, even if the post-trib-only rapture is correct (which it isn't), read your Bible.

1 Corinthians 13:3 (NIV):
If I give all I possess to the poor and surrender my body to the flames, but have not love, I gain nothing.

1 Corinthians 13:3 (Geneva Bible, 1599 Edition):
And though I feede the poore with all my goods, and though I giue my body, that I be burned, and haue not loue, it profiteth me nothing.

The Bible is clear: It is alright to give your body up to death at the hands of the enemy, knowing that your soul is saved. Giving your body is much more important than 'to know where the antichrist will come from to try to avoid his attempts to kill the christians'. Tricking the Antichrist is the stuff millionare fiction authors make up -- not scripture.

All you need to know about the antichrist is found in a Veggie Tales song my 4-year-old (now 12) nephew shared with me:

God is bigger than the boogie man,
Bigger than Godzilla or the monsters on TV!
God is bigger than the boogie man,
And he watches over you and me!

Of course, don't give your body to be burned by the enemy if you don't have 'the Love of Jesus down in your heart'.

Of course the bible is a big book and you need to look at all the scriptures.
Give your body to be burned before Jesus comes back, and you lose the right to lead others to salvation.

Matthew 10:23 But when they persecute you in this city, flee ye into another: for verily I say unto you, Ye shall not have gone over the cities of Israel, till the Son of man be come.

Hebrews 11 shows that you have the option, to escape or perish, depending on where your faith is.

Hebrews 11:33 Who through faith subdued kingdoms, wrought righteousness, obtained promises, stopped the mouths of lions,
Hebrews 11:34 Quenched the violence of fire, escaped the edge of the sword, out of weakness were made strong, waxed valiant in fight, turned to flight the armies of the aliens.

Hebrews 11:36 And others had trial of [cruel] mockings and scourgings, yea, moreover of bonds and imprisonment:
Hebrews 11:37 They were stoned, they were sawn asunder, were tempted, were slain with the sword: they wandered about in sheepskins and goatskins; being destitute, afflicted, tormented;

I dislike Satan so much that I would like to be a thorn in his side to the nth degree, as they say in mathematics. I choose to remain helping God to save souls till Jesus returns.

Lazarus' sister said the resurection of her brother would happen on the last day; not 7 years before the last day. Jesus did not correct her. The rapture happens at the resurection of the righteous on the last day.
The rapture is post trib. Matt. 24 "immediately after the tribulation of those days"....He will send His angels to gather His elect... that is the rapture.

 

[standingfirminChrist]

Of course the bible is a big book and you need to look at all the scriptures.
Give your body to be burned before Jesus comes back, and you lose the right to lead others to salvation.

Matthew 10:23 But when they persecute you in this city, flee ye into another: for verily I say unto you, Ye shall not have gone over the cities of Israel, till the Son of man be come.

Hebrews 11 shows that you have the option, to escape or perish, depending on where your faith is.

Hebrews 11:33 Who through faith subdued kingdoms, wrought righteousness, obtained promises, stopped the mouths of lions,
Hebrews 11:34 Quenched the violence of fire, escaped the edge of the sword, out of weakness were made strong, waxed valiant in fight, turned to flight the armies of the aliens.

Hebrews 11:36 And others had trial of [cruel] mockings and scourgings, yea, moreover of bonds and imprisonment:
Hebrews 11:37 They were stoned, they were sawn asunder, were tempted, were slain with the sword: they wandered about in sheepskins and goatskins; being destitute, afflicted, tormented;

I dislike Satan so much that I would like to be a thorn in his side to the nth degree, as they say in mathematics. I choose to remain helping God to save souls till Jesus returns.

Lazarus' sister said the resurection of her brother would happen on the last day; not 7 years before the last day. Jesus did not correct her. The rapture happens at the resurection of the righteous on the last day.
The rapture is post trib. Matt. 24 "immediately after the tribulation of those days"....He will send His angels to gather His elect... that is the rapture.

Scripture says the rest of the dead lived not again until a thousand years after God's people have resurrected.

If God's people resurrect on the last day as you say... after the tribulations, with no more days after, then that would make God's Word a lie when it declares the unrighteous dead are resurrected for their judgment 1,000 years after the Believer's resurrection.

Matthew 24 is not about the Rapture, but about the coming of the Lord after the tribulations that fall upon the earth after the Rapture.

antiaging, you need to go back to studying. You aren't seeing clearly.

 

[antiaging]

Revelation 18:13 says the Beast from the Sea has 'the number of a man'. I believe that the this Antichrist will be a human NOT a demon {though later he will be indwelt by the Unholy Spirit (AKA: Satan) } and NOT an office. (Though I won't preclude that the Antichrist could be a Jewish Pope.)

Daniel 9 and Dan. 2 show antichrist will be a Roman ruler.

Daniel 9:26 And after threescore and two weeks shall Messiah be cut off, but not for himself: and the people of the prince that shall come shall destroy the city and the sanctuary; and the end thereof shall be with a flood, and unto the end of the war desolations are determined.

Rome is identified as the fourth beast; antichrist will rule that.

Daniel 2:40 And the fourth kingdom shall be strong as iron: forasmuch as iron breaketh in pieces and subdueth all things: and as iron that breaketh all these, shall it break in pieces and bruise.

Daniel 11 antichrist will be the last one to occupy an estate. You can consider that an office if you like. [Estate of the Caesars, --chief roman pontiff}

Daniel 11:21 And in his estate shall stand up a vile person, to whom they shall not give the honour of the kingdom: but he shall come in peaceably, and obtain the kingdom by flatteries.
Daniel 11:22 And with the arms of a flood shall they be overflown from before him, and shall be broken; yea, also the prince of the covenant.

Right now he would be peaceable and using flattery.

 

[antiaging]

Scripture says the rest of the dead lived not again until a thousand years after God's people have resurrected.

If God's people resurrect on the last day as you say... after the tribulations, with no more days after, then that would make God's Word a lie when it declares the unrighteous dead are resurrected for their judgment 1,000 years after the Believer's resurrection.

Matthew 24 is not about the Rapture, but about the coming of the Lord after the tribulations that fall upon the earth after the Rapture.

antiaging, you need to go back to studying. You aren't seeing clearly.

Last day of this age, when Jesus comes back.
The thousand year reign is a totally different era.

Matthew 24:29 Immediately after the tribulation of those days shall the sun be darkened, and the moon shall not give her light, and the stars shall fall from heaven, and the powers of the heavens shall be shaken:

Matthew 24:30 And then shall appear the sign of the Son of man in heaven: and then shall all the tribes of the earth mourn, and they shall see the Son of man coming in the clouds of heaven with power and great glory.

Matthew 24:31 And he shall send his angels with a great sound of a trumpet, and they shall gather together his elect from the four winds, from one end of heaven to the other.

The gathering of the elect is after the tribulation period according to those scriptures. The gathering of the elect is the rapture.
[It says from one end of heaven to the other. Not earth. They are gathered in the sky. Heaven is one of the definitions of the sky. Mt. 24:31 is referring to the rapture of the elect saints.

 

[standingfirminChrist]

The Christians will be caught up before the tribulation, Scripture tells us God's people are not appointed to wrath.

Also, in Revelation, the only people I see sealed by God are the 12,000 of every tribe of Israel.

All the rest of mankind that were there repented not of their blasphemies but continued to blaspheme God day and night.

Thank God, His people will not be here on this earth to hear that filth or see the wrath poured down on those who are going through the tribulations.

 

[Ed Edwards]

Amen, Brother Standingfirminchrist -- Preach it! :thumbs:

 

[Ed Edwards]

Antiaging: //Lazarus' sister said the resurection of her brother would happen on the last day; not 7 years before the last day. //

Wrong! See below, both the writing and the following comments

Antiaging: //Jesus did not correct her. The rapture happens at the resurection of the righteous on the last day.//

Amen, Brother Antiaging -- Preach it!

I suspect you may not know what 'DAY' means. Here is my writing on that:
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Dispensation in the NT, KJV1769 family of editions (bolding by Ed):

1 Corinthians 9:17 (KJV1769):
For if I do this thing willingly, I have a reward:
but if against my will, a dispensation of the gospel
is committed unto me.

Ephesians 1:10 (KJV1769):
That in the dispensation of the fulness of times he might
gather together in one all things in Christ, both
which are in heaven, and which are on earth; even in him:

Ephesians 3:2 (KJV1769):
If ye have heard of the dispensation of the grace of God
which is given me to you-ward:

Colossians 1:25 (KJV1769):
Whereof I am made a minister, according to the dispensation
of God which is given to me for you, to fulfil the word of God;

The Holy Spirit hasn't shown me a lot more than is here. I do know the Greek word being translated here as 'dispensation' is the Greek word from which we get 'economy'.

I do know (IN SUMMARY OF THE BIBLE off the top of my head) that this is what the conomy of God is like:

Bible Prophetic times:
'hour' = the appropriate time
'day' = the appropriate time
or '1 day' = 1,000 years
'½-week' = 3½-years
'1 day' = '1 week' = 7 years
'month' = the appropriate time
year = the appropriate time

Other 'economy of God facts':

the blind see
the dead live
the deaf hear
the lame leap like deer
the first is last
the last is first
Jesus Saves (totally!)
God Rules!!

Frequently the Bible discusses:

What is to be is discussed in either present tense (is done) or past tense (done already done). So a study of Greek tenses is generally frustrating. Us people can only do one day at a time. God can do everyday at a time - I think God may have invented all the days at the same time?
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The Tribulation Period is ONE DAY = SEVEN YEARS. So

 

[targus]

Daniel 9 and Dan. 2 show antichrist will be a Roman ruler.

Well then that rules out your contention that the current Pope is the antichrist.

The current Pope is of German descent not Italian.

The current Pope does not rule Rome. He is the head of the Catholic Church.

Vatican City is a nation state on it's own. It is not Rome.

 

[Ed Edwards]

Antiaging: //Matthew 24:29 Immediately after the tribulation of those days shall the sun be darkened, and the moon shall not give her light, and the stars shall fall from heaven, and the powers of the heavens shall be shaken:

Matthew 24:30 And then shall appear the sign of the Son of man in heaven: and then shall all the tribes of the earth mourn, and they shall see the Son of man coming in the clouds of heaven with power and great glory.

Matthew 24:31 And he shall send his angels with a great sound of a trumpet, and they shall gather together his elect from the four winds, from one end of heaven to the other.

The gathering of the elect is after the tribulation period according to those scriptures. The gathering of the elect is the rapture.
[It says from one end of heaven to the other. Not earth. They are gathered in the sky. Heaven is one of the definitions of the sky. Mt. 24:31 is referring to the rapture of the elect saints.//


Every thing I quoted you said is correct save the underlined comment. Even that comment is easy to make CORRECT:

The gathering of the elect is after the tribulation period according ANTIAGING'S UNDERSTANDING OF those scriptures.

However, according to my understanding here is how I understand Matthew 24:

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Ed's Pretribulation view of Matthew 24:

Here is a pre-tribulation Rapture of the Church,
pre-Millinnial Return of Christ,
Futurist understanding of Matthew 24.

In Matthew 24:3 the disciples of Jesus
ask three questions:

(in the order asked):
1. When will the Temple be destroyed?
2. What is the sign of His coming?
3. What is the sign of the end of age?

Jesus answers these questions in
Matthew 24:4-44, then follows them with
some parables in Matthew 24:45 through Matthew 25..

Here are the answers of Jesus in the
order the questions were asked:

1. When will the Temple be destroyed?
Matthew 24:4-14

2. What is the sign of His coming?
Matthew 24:15-30

3. What is the sign of the end of age?
Matthew 24:31-44

Here is a summary of the answers
in the order in which events will occur
(not in the order in which the questions were asked):

1. When will the Temple be destroyed?
Soon, it was in 70AD

3. What is the sign of the end of age?
No signs preceding the end of the age

2. What is the sign of His coming?
The Sign of His coming will be the
Tribulation period.

Recall the Greek language in which this
Mount Olivet Discourse (MOD) was written
did not have Microsoft Word to do it with.
So many ands, buts, and other connectors
give the outline. 'Polysyndeton' is a rhetorical device that uses
(in English) repeated connectors (usually 'and')
instead of an outline. This is most noticeable
in the Bible in Genesis 1 and Matthew 24.
I believe the major outline to be:

1. When will the Temple be destroyed?
Matthew 24:4-14

2. What is the sign of His coming?
Matthew 24:15-30

3. What is the sign of the end of age?
Matthew 24:31-44

The Gathering in Matthew 24:31 is the Rapture/resurrection which ends the current church age (gentile age, age of grace, last days, etc.)

Thus Matthew 24:4-14 describes all of the church age even up to this time. Matthew 24:4-14 describes the church age. The signs of Matthew 24:4-14 are signs that the church age continues NOT that the end is near.
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According to this view, the "after the Tribulation of those days" il Matthew 24:29 does NOT influence the events of Matthew 24:31.

Feel free to tell us the last verse that is influenced (or first verse that is not influenced) by Matthew 24:29 in your view. I have found only one person who would do this 'exercise' and he was a 7th Day Adventist.