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Obama actually slamming Trump

church mouse guy

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Another section that should appeal across party lines but may not in these tribal "truth is not truth" times.

This is garbage. Obama actually attacked the press with secret government powers as everyone knows.

Obama now is attacking his successor on the campaign trail, something no other ex-president has done in memory. He sometimes wears a tan suit.

Trump says he fell asleep during the messiah's speech.
 

Gold Dragon

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Obama actually attacked the press with secret government powers as everyone knows.

Secret powers that everyone knows about. Riiiight.

Is this where we wink wink nudge nudge?

I hope you understand if I don't try to keep up with Alex Jones' latest conspiracy theories.
 

church mouse guy

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Secret powers that everyone knows about. Riiiight.

Is this where we wink wink nudge nudge?

I hope you understand if I don't try to keep up with Alex Jones' latest conspiracy theories.

Why do you talk so much trash? And if you like Obama so much, how is it that you don't know what he actually did? And why couldn't you find this common knowledge from Yahoo News?

The Justice Department spied extensively on Fox News reporter James Rosen in 2010, collecting his telephone records, tracking his movements in and out of the State Department and seizing two days of Rosen’s personal emails, the Washington Post reported on Monday.

In a chilling move sure to rile defenders of civil liberties, an FBI agent also accused Rosen of breaking anti-espionage law with behavior that—as described in the agent's own affidavit—falls well inside the bounds of traditional news reporting. (Disclosure: This reporter counts Rosen among his friends.)

UPDATE: Fox News responds with a blistering statement that asserts Rosen was "simply doing his job" in his role as "a member of what up until now has always been a free press.”

The revelations surfaced with President Barack Obama’s administration already under fire for seizing two months of telephone records of reporters and editors at the Associated Press. Obama last week said he makes “no apologies” for investigations into national security-related leaks. The AP's CEO, Gray Pruitt, said Sunday that the seizure was "unconstitutional."

The Obama administration has prosecuted twice as many leakers as all previous administrations combined.

Obama administration spied on Fox News reporter James Rosen: Report
 
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FollowTheWay

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The things President Trump has put out on immigration were well within his constitutional powers. Obama on the other hand, whose job was only to enforce laws passed by the Congress actually, tried to pass a new immigration law all by himself with his DACA executive order. He was caught on video time after time telling Hispanic audiences and others that there was nothing he could do for this group of people, and then suddenly he does it.

That being said, please tell me where President Trump went beyond his constitutional powers?
Why was Obama's job only to enforce laws passed by Congress? I assume you are saying that's Trump's only ob as well?
 

Gold Dragon

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Why do you talk so much trash? And if you like Obama so much, how is it that you don't know what he actually did? And why couldn't you find this common knowledge from Yahoo News?

The Justice Department spied extensively on Fox News reporter James Rosen in 2010, collecting his telephone records, tracking his movements in and out of the State Department and seizing two days of Rosen’s personal emails, the Washington Post reported on Monday.

In a chilling move sure to rile defenders of civil liberties, an FBI agent also accused Rosen of breaking anti-espionage law with behavior that—as described in the agent's own affidavit—falls well inside the bounds of traditional news reporting. (Disclosure: This reporter counts Rosen among his friends.)

UPDATE: Fox News responds with a blistering statement that asserts Rosen was "simply doing his job" in his role as "a member of what up until now has always been a free press.”

The revelations surfaced with President Barack Obama’s administration already under fire for seizing two months of telephone records of reporters and editors at the Associated Press. Obama last week said he makes “no apologies” for investigations into national security-related leaks. The AP's CEO, Gray Pruitt, said Sunday that the seizure was "unconstitutional."

The Obama administration has prosecuted twice as many leakers as all previous administrations combined.

Obama administration spied on Fox News reporter James Rosen: Report

D.O.J. Versus James Rosen

James Rosen: Fox News reporter targeted as 'co- conspirator' in spying case

No I was not aware of this story. Thanks for bringing it to my attention.

The dept of justice initiated an investigation into a single journalist because of a possible connection in an actual violation of the Espionage Act. Woo plead guilty to giving classified information to Rosen. It does make sense to investigate if Rosen then broke any laws in getting that information and he was not found to have. He was not charged.

The error was not the investigation but jumping to the conclusion that Rosen was involved in the crime and overreaching on its warrant.

There was no indication this has anything to do with negative press or trying to stifle the free press. This was about chasing down leaks of confidential information. He was not publicly denigrated. His freedom as a journalist to write what he wanted was not threatened because of the investigation.
 

Revmitchell

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D.O.J. Versus James Rosen

James Rosen: Fox News reporter targeted as 'co- conspirator' in spying case

No I was not aware of this story. Thanks for bringing it to my attention.

The dept of justice initiated an investigation into a single journalist because of a possible connection in an actual violation of the Espionage Act. Woo plead guilty to giving classified information to Rosen. It does make sense to investigate if Rosen then broke any laws in getting that information and he was not found to have. He was not charged.

The error was not the investigation but jumping to the conclusion that Rosen was involved in the crime and overreaching on its warrant.

There was no indication this has anything to do with negative press or trying to stifle the free press. This was about chasing down leaks of confidential information. He was not publicly denigrated. His freedom as a journalist to write what he wanted was not threatened because of the investigation.

You don't know what it was about. When you move here and have lived here for at least ten years then you might. Until then you are just talking from across the ocean.
 

church mouse guy

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Urgent Agenda quoted Michael Goodwin of the New York Post, "Obama's harsh partisan tone Friday, complete was his typical mocking of Republicans, was in striking contrast to the odes to bipartisanship vioced at Sen. John McCain's funeral. Too bad Obama wasn't there......."
 

Gold Dragon

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You don't know what it was about. When you move here and have lived here for at least ten years then you might. Until then you are just talking from across the ocean.

In the last few decades, there has been this really cool thing called the internet that lets us know about things happening all around the world. It even gives us access to publicly available primary source documents that allows us to confirm the news we are reading. In fact, locals and people from the other side of the world often have the same level of access to information and use the same sources and are able to arrive at similar conclusions if they critically evaluate that information.

But of course if you feel that one cannot understand things outside of one's country, I would expect your posting history to reflect that view and acknowledge your ignorance of all things outside of the united states.
 
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Gold Dragon

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The error was not the investigation but jumping to the conclusion that Rosen was involved in the crime and overreaching on its warrant.

It is interesting to note that as a consequence of the Rosen case, the Justice Department under Holder reviewed its approach to investigating journalists who are suspected of committing crimes where confidential information has been leaked to restrict itself from committing similar overreaches.

https://www.justice.gov/sites/default/files/ag/legacy/2013/07/15/news-media.pdf

II. Enhanced Approvals and Heightened Standards for Use of Search Warrants and Section 2703(d) Orders

The Privacy Protection Act of 1980 (PPA), 42 U.S.C. § 2000aa, generally prohibits the search or seizure of work product and documentary materials held by individuals who have a purpose to disseminate information to the public. The PPA, however, contains a number of exceptions to its general prohibition, including the "suspect exception" which applies when there is "probable cause to believe that the person possessing such materials has committed or is committing a criminal offense to which the materials relate," including "the receipt, possession, or communication of information relating to the national defense, classified information, or restricted data" under enumerated code provisions. See 42 U.S.c. §§ 2000aa(a)(1) and (b)(1). Under current Department policy, a Deputy Assistant Attorney General may authorize an application for a search warrant that is covered by the PPA, and no higher level reviews or approvals are required.

First, the Department will modify its policy concerning search warrants covered by the PPA involving members of the news media to provide that work product materials and other documents may be sought under the "suspect exception" of the PPA only when the member of the news media is the focus of a criminal investigation for conduct not connected to ordinary newsgathering activities. Under this revised policy, the Department would not seek search warrants under the PPA 's suspect exception if the sole purpose is the investigation of a person other than the member of the news media.

Second, the Department would revise current policy to elevate the current approval requirements and require the approval of the Attorney General for all search warrants and court orders issued pursuant to 18 U.S.c. § 2703(d) directed at members of the news media. In addition, as part of the new approval process the Attorney General would consider the factors in 28 C.F .R. § 50.10 - which currently apply to subpoenas to members of the news media or to communication service providers for the telephone toll records of members of the news media, but not to search warrants or § 2703(d) orders - including demonstrating that the information sought is essential to a successful investigation, that other reasonable alternative investigative steps to obtain the information have been exhausted, and that the request has been narrowly tailored to obtain only the information necessary for the investigation (including the use of search methods that limit any intrusion into potentially protected materials, as described above). The presumption of notice, and standards applicable to requests for delayed notice, will also apply to search warrants and § 2703(d) orders that seek access to records of members of the news media related to newsgathering activities. A thorough evaluation of relevant considerations, including these factors, will be presented to the Deputy Attorney General, and ultimately the Attorney General, for authorization. This policy change will bring the approval protocols for search warrants issued under the PPA and § 2703(d) orders in line with those required for other investigative tools that implicate records of members of the news media.
 

church mouse guy

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It is interesting to note that as a consequence of the Rosen case, the Justice Department under Holder reviewed its approach to investigating journalists who are suspected of committing crimes where confidential information has been leaked to restrict itself from committing similar overreaches.

https://www.justice.gov/sites/default/files/ag/legacy/2013/07/15/news-media.pdf

The point is that Trump just calls the press fake news and enemies of the people but Obama moved against the press with the power of the government, probably using the weaponized FBI that we have seen as a result of the Mueller investigation. The left has to put people in jail or call the police on them to satisfy their sense of power while the right just laughs at them. Trump has over 50,000,000 Twitter followers while CNN has a difficult time getting 1,000,000 viewers on any given day. Obama and Hillary just don't like the common people.

Changing the subject, Doc, here is something from Wellington for you, because politics doesn't get much done:


Carrum Downs:

 

Gold Dragon

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but Obama moved against the press with the power of the government, probably using the weaponized FBI

I know that is what you want to believe happened but the article you supplied and fact based reporting shows the Dept of Justice investigating a single reporter who was associated with a confirmed criminally leaked document. Through the investigation it was found Rosen did not commit any crimes and hindsight showed that the DoJ overreached on its warrant, something they tried to rectify for future similar cases.
 

church mouse guy

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I know that is what you want to believe happened but the article you supplied and fact based reporting shows the Dept of Justice investigating a single reporter who was associated with a confirmed criminally leaked document. Through the investigation it was found Rosen did not commit any crimes and hindsight showed that the DoJ overreached on its warrant, something they tried to rectify for future similar cases.

Trump has done nothing to anyone in the press except to tell some of them to shut up when they were rude. You say that you have the internet, Doc, but you do not know about what Obama did. Here is a link to Wikipedia, a liberal source, about what Obama did to the AP, which was also out of line:

2013 Department of Justice investigations of reporters - Wikipedia

I don't know why you want to try to clean up Obama and Hillary when Christianity is the way to help people, as I tried to post to you above with the link to Carrum Downs and Wellington, which I hope that you watched.

Obama is outside of the American mainstream, as everyone has tried to tell you before. No ex-president in memory has re-entered partisan politics the way he did the other day. Maybe I can persuade you to watch an anti-communist Cuban dissident, who will explain to you how our freedom works on this point:

 

church mouse guy

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More twitter dim defence. These social media giants need to be held to account. Now they are banning true American hero’s. Meanwhile Kap gets paid. Where is congress??

TWITTER SUSPENDS BENGHAZI HERO After Criticism of President Obama!

Twitter is an absolute mess. The guy who owns it seems to be way over his head. I don't know what is going to happen. I am not sure that Twitter would even be profitable if it weren't for Trump who has over 50,000,000 followers on it. I know that I signed up for Twitter a year ago just to get Trump and a dozen others. I tweeted a question to a theology student the other day for my first tweet. I look at Twitter once or twice a week. I think that we need a law that the owner of the platform is not responsible for what appears on the platform, but in all probability we are going to have to have another platform for conservatives. Diamond and Silk say that Facebook is liars and thieves--they charge you money for advertisement and then ban you after they get your money before the advertisement benefits you. YouTube joined in banning Alex Jones, who did not advocate violence or use profanity or vulgar language. Probably, someone like Hamas has active accounts on all of social media. Look at Louis Farrakhan who expresses open hatred of Jews but no one is banning him from anything.
 

Gold Dragon

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Here is a link to Wikipedia, a liberal source, about what Obama did to the AP, which was also out of line:

2013 Department of Justice investigations of reporters - Wikipedia

Yes, there is nothing in that Wikipedia article I didn't address. The warrant was a significant overrreach that the DoJ later agreed was an error and tried to rectify.

Amending the Department of Justice subpoena guidelines | Reporters Committee for Freedom of the Press

I don't know why you want to try to clean up Obama and Hillary

I'm not trying to clean up Obama or Hillary. I'm just addressing the incorrect understandings of history that you brought up that is easily corrected by looking at the well documented accounts of what actually happened.
 

carpro

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A lot of Trump's orders were undoing Obama's.

Obama made it easy. Many of them were unconstitutional in the first place.

If King Obama had gone through Congress as required, it would have been difficult, if not impossible, to reverse many of his "crowning achievements".
 

church mouse guy

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Yes, there is nothing in that Wikipedia article I didn't address. The warrant was a significant overrreach that the DoJ later agreed was an error and tried to rectify.

Amending the Department of Justice subpoena guidelines | Reporters Committee for Freedom of the Press



I'm not trying to clean up Obama or Hillary. I'm just addressing the incorrect understandings of history that you brought up that is easily corrected by looking at the well documented accounts of what actually happened.

He also attacked the Associated Press illegally.
 

church mouse guy

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Trump has done nothing against the press except call them liars. Obama is not a mainstream American. He used the police against the press. Obama is a proven liar.
 

Gold Dragon

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