Have you seen a more damaged brand and damaged incumbent than the GOP and Bush respectively? And Reagan would've likely gotten more 1st time around if not for Anderson. That's the last parallel we've had to what we had now. I honestly think Hillary would've gotten more votes. Gore might have, too, though I suspect his internals told him all he needed to know and he rather relishes being king-maker. Remember...a couple of missteps that you rightly point out was the fault of bad campaign advice, and we have a horserace into the night on election night. Still mystifies me how a Dem could not win by ten points or more.LeBuick said:has any president but LBJ ever gotten that much of the popular vote?