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Obama: Ban Parents from Having Children Counseled Not to be ‘LGBTQ+’

Revmitchell

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President Barack Obama, through a statement posted Wednesday night on the White House website by adviser Valerie Jarrett, backed legislation that would ban parents from having their children counseled not to be what Jarrett called "LGBTQ+".
“As part of our dedication to protecting America’s youth, this Administration supports efforts to ban the use of conversion therapy for minors,” Jarrett said in the White House statement.

“Conversion therapy generally refers to any practices by mental health providers that seek to change an individual’s sexual orientation or gender identity,” said the statement. “Often, this practice is used on minors, who lack the legal authority to make their own medical and mental health decisions. We share your concern about its potentially devastating effects on the lives of transgender as well as gay, lesbian, bisexual, and queer youth.”

Jarrett conceded in her statement that an act of Congress would be needed to pass a national law that prohibited parents from having their children be counselled to be heterosexual rather than what she called “LGBTQ+."

“While a national ban would require congressional action, we are hopeful that the clarity of the evidence combined with the actions taken by these states will lead to broader action that this Administration would support,” Jarrett said.

She suggested that parents disserve their children when they do not accept them as “LGTQ+.”

http://cnsnews.com/news/article/cns...ent=facebook&utm_campaign=n-obama-ban-parents
 

Revmitchell

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Excuse me Obama and Valerie Jarrett but we will raise our children in the ways of the Lord and if you do not like it you can stick it up your nose and take a long walk off a short pier.
 

carpro

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Valerie Jarrett, the shadow president, has more influence than Dick Cheney ever dreamed of having.
 

Don

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Sometimes I wonder if we start certain threads or post certain posts, just to get Zaac spun up....
 

Zaac

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Sometimes I wonder if we start certain threads or post certain posts, just to get Zaac spun up....

Doesn't get me spun up. I'll reply as I feel led to and won't to those I don't feel led to. :laugh:

I don't believe that the government needs to be telling anyone what to do with their kids. But if kids are being abused, somebody has to step in.

This type of "therapy" just doesn't sound right. I think this is as dangerous as telling a child you will be a Christian or you will go to law school.

Point them in the right direction, but trying to repair something like this seems counterproductive. And as a follower of Christ, I'd be far more inclined to trust in the Holy Spirit to break such a stronghold than I would a "therapist".

This "therapy" seems like more evidence of man putting his trust in man.

From the comment section
American Academy of Pediatrics (1993)

“Therapy directed specifically at changing sexual orientation is contraindicated, since it can provoke guilt and anxiety while having little or no potential for achieving changes in orientation.”

American Medical Association (2003)

“Our AMA opposes the use of ‘reparative’ or ‘conversion’ therapy that is based on the assumption that homosexuality per se is a mental disorder or based upon the a priori assumption that the patient should change his/her homosexual orientation.”

American Psychoanalytic Association (2000)

“Psychoanalytic technique does not encompass purposeful efforts to ‘convert’ or ‘repair’ an individual’s sexual orientation. Such directed efforts are against fundamental principles of psychoanalytic treatment and often result in substantial psychological pain by reinforcing damaging internalized homophobic attitudes.”

American Psychiatric Association (1998)

“The American Psychiatric Association opposes any psychiatric treatment, such as reparative or conversion therapy, which is based upon the assumption that homosexuality per se is a mental disorder or based upon the priori assumption that a patient should change his/her sexual homosexual orientation.” The APA removed homosexuality from its list of disorders in 1973.

American Psychological Association (1997)

“No scientific evidence exists to support the effectiveness of any of the conversion therapies that try to change sexual orientation.” The association removed homosexuality from its list of disorders in 1975.

National Association of Social Workers (2000)

“People seek mental health services for many reasons. Accordingly, it is fair to assert that lesbians and gay men seek therapy for the same reasons that heterosexual people do. However, the increase in media campaigns, often coupled with coercive messages from family and community members, has created an environment in which lesbians and gay men often are pressured to seek reparative or conversion therapies, which cannot and will not change sexual orientation. Aligned with the American Psychological Association’s (1997) position, NCLGB believes that such treatment potentially can lead to severe emotional damage. Specifically, transformational ministries are fueled by stigmatization of lesbians and gay men, which in turn produces the social climate that pressures some people to seek change in sexual orientation. No data demonstrate that reparative or conversion therapies are effective, and in fact they may be harmful.
 

matt wade

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Doesn't get me spun up. I'll reply as I feel led to and won't to those I don't feel led to. :laugh:

I don't believe that the government needs to be telling anyone what to do with their kids. But if kids are being abused, somebody has to step in.

This type of "therapy" just doesn't sound right. I think this is as dangerous as telling a child you will be a Christian or you will go to law school.

Point them in the right direction, but trying to repair something like this seems counterproductive. And as a follower of Christ, I'd be far more inclined to trust in the Holy Spirit to break such a stronghold than I would a "therapist".

This "therapy" seems like more evidence of man putting his trust in man.

From the comment section


I agree that "therapy" isn't the answer. The issue here is the slipperly slope. Will it become illegal for a pastor to counsel a youth on this subject?
 

Zaac

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I agree that "therapy" isn't the answer. The issue here is the slipperly slope. Will it become illegal for a pastor to counsel a youth on this subject?

I believe that legally there is a difference between counseling and therapy. Therapy is intended to correct. Counseling is to advise and the person decides for himself.

So I don't think it would affect Christian Counseling.
 

targus

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I believe that legally there is a difference between counseling and therapy. Therapy is intended to correct. Counseling is to advise and the person decides for himself.

So I don't think it would affect Christian Counseling.

And I think that you just make stuff up.
 

Zaac

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What does the "+" stand for?

Never mind. I do not need to know...

I was wondering the same thing. Every time I see that list of letters, it seems like it's gotten longer.

Next week it will be LGBTQRSTUVWXYZ.
 

Zaac

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PHP:

Explain why you just make stuff up?

Probably because you don't have the correct information but still want to get your two cents in.

Explain why you haven't disproven what I said? I said I believe there is a legal difference. SO please feel free to prove otherwise.
 

targus

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Explain why you haven't disproven what I said? I said I believe there is a legal difference. SO please feel free to prove otherwise.

You must work in liberal journalism...

Just make something up and then demand that others disprove it. :laugh:
 

matt wade

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Explain why you haven't disproven what I said? I said I believe there is a legal difference. SO please feel free to prove otherwise.

How can you speak of a legal difference in a law that hasn't been written yet? Shouldn't you wait until you see some actual legal text before making a decision on whether this law will make a distinction?
 

Zaac

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How can you speak of a legal difference in a law that hasn't been written yet? Shouldn't you wait until you see some actual legal text before making a decision on whether this law will make a distinction?

I wasn't saying there was a legal difference in the unwritten yet law. I was saying that legally there is a difference between what is considered counseling and what is considered therapy.
 

carpro

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How can you speak of a legal difference in a law that hasn't been written yet? Shouldn't you wait until you see some actual legal text before making a decision on whether this law will make a distinction?

It won't become law anytime soon. Obama is just kissing up to one of his most radical constitutuencies.
 

targus

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I wasn't saying there was a legal difference in the unwritten yet law. I was saying that legally there is a difference between what is considered counseling and what is considered therapy.

And based on your expert knowledge what is that difference?
 
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