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Obama Bombs Pakistan

LeBuick

New Member
hillclimber1 said:
When Saddam was eliminated, it created a vacuum, or more likely a vehicle which enabling Al Qaeda to come into power in Iraq.... I don't know how many came out of the wood work, but we killed a ton of them.... Thank GWB for that intelligent strategy...

What's worse, no matter what we do... No matter how long we stay. There will be a civil war the same day we leave.
 

Pastor Larry

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If you call that diplomacy... Bush wouldn't acknowledge them in talks except to make threats and demands.
Did you forget eight years of Clinton? Bush inherited the problem. And why acknowledge them when they were in violation of sanctions?

The only true argument against Diplomacy not working is when Saddam wouldn't let the UN inspectors in. Other then that he cooperated.
"Other than the bullet, how was the play, Mr. Lincoln?"
 

chuck2336

Member
LeBuick said:
Al-Qaeda came to Iraq because we were there. They weren't there before we invaded.

Al-Qaeda was in Iraq when I was in the region during Desert Storm. Unless you know something that the intel at the time didnt.
 

Crabtownboy

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chuck2336 said:
Al-Qaeda was in Iraq when I was in the region during Desert Storm. Unless you know something that the intel at the time didnt.

I would really appreciate you giving a source for this.

One of the big mistakes in going into Iraq was that it took attention and resources away from Afghanstan where we are seeing the rise and growing strength of the Taliban growing again.
 

matt wade

Well-Known Member
The Senate Intelligence Committee's investigation says that al Qaida was there before the war.

"[Pre-war administration] statements that Iraq provided safe haven for Abu Musab al-Zarqawi and other al-Qa'ida-related terrorist members were substantiated by the intelligence assessments. Intelligence assessments noted Zarqawi's presence in Iraq and his ability to travel and operate within the country."

"Postwar information supports prewar assessments and statements that Abu Musab al-Zarqawi was in Baghdad and that al-Qa'ida was present in northern Iraq."

http://intelligence.senate.gov/080605/phase2a.pdf
 

chuck2336

Member
Crabtownboy said:
I would really appreciate you giving a source for this.

One of the big mistakes in going into Iraq was that it took attention and resources away from Afghanstan where we are seeing the rise and growing strength of the Taliban growing again.


As much as I would love to give you an article, this was information passed during mock-ups preparing to go into country. We receive all kinds of info ranging from avg. weather conditions, diseases of the region, possible threats to troops mental, physical even spiritual well being.

As I said you might know something that Intel at the time did not know.

Do you have a source saying they were not there?
 

Steven2006

New Member
Jim1999 said:
I wonder how many critics of wartime events have ever been to war? I felt sorry for North Korean women and children until North Korean women and children killed a number of soldiers trying to help them.

I felt sorry for them until they carried bombs into our hospital tents and killed nurses and doctors running to their aid.

I felt sorry for them until they hid soldiers in their villages waiting their opportunity to kill us.

War is hell, and there are no innocents in war.

Cheers,

Jim


I am curious about this comment. So as I understand, you believe that every woman, every child that dies from every stray bomb in a war is deserving of death, and you feel nothing for them? I hope I am wrong and you didn't mean the wording you chose, but this is what it sounded like you are saying.
 

LadyEagle

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It sounded to me like he was saying women and children were carrying bombs into tents to kill doctors and nurses. They did the same thing in Vietnam. A woman would hand a baby to a soldier with a bomb attached which killed the baby, the soldier, and any others standing near by.

Jim has it right, war is hell.

During the Iranian/Iraqi wars, Iranians would send small toddlers/children across the mine fields to clear the way for their soldiers. Iraqis prove they are real men by eating the beating hearts out of living bunnies. Sickos in those cultures. Very demented, oppressed, distressed, regressed, mainly because of their religion.
 
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