Obama Endorses Homosexuality

[Dragoon68]

Pentagon to Reveal Steps Necessary to Repeal Gay Ban in Military

Obama must really think having homosexuals in the military is a good idea. He's been pushing it long enough. It's a bad idea. It some of that "change" he talked about that we don't need, don't want, but are getting anyway. We ought not do anything that in any way endorses, legitimizes, or encourages homosexuality. To the contrary we should restore the laws that stood against it. It is disgusting that a President of the USA pushes this agenda for the homosexuals and lesbians.

 

[SolaSaint]

I was a military recruiter when Clinton came up with "don't ask, don't tell" we all felt this was silly. I still do. It used to be a disqualification to be openly gay when signing up, and this question (are you a homosexual) was done away with by Clinton and thus a gay person was and still is more or less told it's OK to be gay, just don't ever tell us. Now Obama wants to do away with the secrecy and have them come out openly. Why? If they already are serving their country how is this going to change anything? Obama would have us believe that gays can't serve, but they are, right now, we just don't know who they are. If enacted, will these men and women have badges that say their gay? He has pushed his abortion issue and now heading into the homosexual agenda. What is next? Maybe we'll be required to bow down to him?

 

[Crabtownboy]

Pentagon to Reveal Steps Necessary to Repeal Gay Ban in Military

Obama must really think having homosexuals in the military is a good idea. He's been pushing it long enough. It's a bad idea. It some of that "change" he talked about that we don't need, don't want, but are getting anyway. We ought not do anything that in any way endorses, legitimizes, or encourages homosexuality. To the contrary we should restore the laws that stood against it. It is disgusting that a President of the USA pushes this agenda for the homosexuals and lesbians.

Gays have always been in the military and always will be. There were gays in the military when I was in the Army. There are gays in the military now and there will be gays in the mliitary in the future. Having gays in the military does not encourage nor legitmize homosexuality. If we followed your logic a gay would never be given a job. A gay should have the same right to defend his/her own country as anyone else.

 

[Martin]

Yes, Obama does endorse homosexual behavior. John MacArthur commented on that (here). I agree with MacArthur 100%. Obama's beliefs are sinful and abominable.

For me, gays in the military is a non-issue. As others in this thread have rightly noted, there have always been gays in the military. The military is a fighting/killing machine, not a church. So as long as we allow fornicators, adulterers, and other immoral people into the military I don't see the problem with allowing homosexuals.

 

[Crabtownboy]

So as long as we allow fornicators, adulterers, and other immoral people into the military I don't see the problem with allowing homosexuals.

You bring up a very good point. The two most immoral people I have ever known were two very straight fellows in the platoon that I served in while stationed in Germany. Any father on this board who has a daughter would certainly never want his daughter to meet either of these fellows. In fact I would not want an impressionable son to meet them.

Were they unfit for the military? No, they were fit for the military. They could do their jobs.

Were they unfit as Christians? Most definitely.

 

[Johnv]

For me, gays in the military is a non-issue... The military is a fighting/killing machine, not a church. So as long as we allow fornicators, adulterers, and other immoral people into the military I don't see the problem with allowing homosexuals.

You make an excellent point. The blood of a soldier is red, regardless of one's personal vices or life choices. I don't see any reason to even ask a new recruit what his sexual prefernce is.

 

[NiteShift]

For me, gays in the military is a non-issue.

Maybe you've never had to work, eat, sleep, and shower with about 100 other folks? That would explain why it's a non-issue to you.

 

[Crabtownboy]

Maybe you've never had to work, eat, sleep, and shower with about 100 other folks? That would explain why it's a non-issue to you.

I have ... in high school and in the military. It is a non-issue. I never saw anything out of order when I was taking a shower with other fellows. Can you imagine what would happen if a fellow in the military appraoched another sexually while showering with, as you said, 100 other fellows? It would not be a pretty picture. Your fears are totally ungrounded.

The same was true on the troop ships ... and that was really close living. Nothing out of the ordinary.

Likewise I never saw anything out of order when we were eating and living together. Not even sexual teasing. That also would have been very unhealthy for the person doing the teasing or suggesting.

I really cannot understand where so many irrational fears come from. I knew myself and I knew that if anyone ever bothered me that person was going to be in big trouble ... one of us would have ended up hurt. I am not afraid of being around gays, I know myself.

 

[Bro. Curtis]

Twice I was pressured for sex by gay sailors. And I know of several others. I know myself. It's everyone else I doubt.

 

[Revmitchell]

If you have ever served you know that you do not want to share close quarters with them. No common bathrooms, no barracks, no tents. But if you are going to open up for the homosexuals then you might as well go completely coed showers and all. Its no different

 

[Johnv]

Twice I was pressured for sex by gay sailors.

Not to change the subject, but there's a "Village People" joke in there somewhere.

I was hit on by a male student in college. And it was a Christian college!! I simply said no, and that was it. No drama to it. I never had any particular issue when I saw him in the men's room or if we were changing out for sports, and I suspect it was because he was polite and respectful of people. I can't speak for persons' experience in the military, but I'm curious what the opinions of those of you who have served are, including Bro Curtis' input.

 

[NiteShift]

I have ... in high school and in the military. It is a non-issue. I never saw anything out of order when I was taking a shower with other fellows. Can you imagine what would happen if a fellow in the military appraoched another sexually while showering with, as you said, 100 other fellows? It would not be a pretty picture. Your fears are totally ungrounded.

Yes, I did two enlistments and know what you are talking about. But that was when gays were not drafted or accepted for enlistment. If you have openly gay folks in the mix it changes everything.

You know how they used to do the firing squad? Only one rifle was loaded with live rounds. The rest were blanks and that way everyone could have a reasonable doubt. It's sort of the same way with don't ask don't tell. It works, and changing it is just political.

 

[Crabtownboy]

If you have ever served you know that you do not want to share close quarters with them. No common bathrooms, no barracks, no tents.

Have you served in the military? If you did you must have been in a different military than I. There was no choice about sharing quarters, bathrooms, tents. You shared .. and there was no problem. If there had been a problem then there would have been PROBLEMS with hurt soldiers. What kind of company commander would stand by and allow such problems to develop and affect the efficiency of his command? None that I ever met.

But if you are going to open up for the homosexuals then you might as well go completely coed showers and all. Its no different

A totally illogical conclusion.

 

[Crabtownboy]

Yes, I did two enlistments and know what you are talking about. But that was when gays were not drafted or accepted for enlistment. If you have openly gay folks in the mix it changes everything.

We had two gay fellows in the company I was in when I was in Germany. Our company commander gave them a room together and told them if he ever caught them bothering others they were grass and he was a lawnmower. Not everyone was kicked out when discovered. And one thing for sure you did not want to have him as a lawnmower. He was tough and would take his jacket [officer status] off and beat you to a pulp if you were stupid enough to challenge him.

The platoon I was in had an open barracks....we all slept together in two big rooms, no private or semi-private rooms. If there had been a problem it would have been very short-lived.

I do not see it as political. I see it as simply recognizing reality. There always have been gays in the military, are now and always will be.

What about totally immoral straights ... should they be kept in the military. As I said in another post, the most immoral two fellows I have ever known were straight enlisted fellows in the same platoon that I served in. They could do their job, but they were horrible examples of what a human should be. You would not want your son or daughter to meet either of these guys.

 

[NiteShift]

What about totally immoral straights ... should they be kept in the military. As I said in another post, the most immoral two fellows I have ever known were straight enlisted fellows in the same platoon that I served in. They could do their job, but they were horrible examples of what a human should be. You would not want your son or daughter to meet either of these guys.

Yep there is immorality in the service. It's not allowed in the barracks, in other words don't get caught. People are sometimes discharged when they can't control their behavior. The bottom line is that you are going to run off alot of good troops who don't want to deal with this stuff if it goes through.

 

[Crabtownboy]

Yep there is immorality in the service. It's not allowed in the barracks, in other words don't get caught. People are sometimes discharged when they can't control their behavior. The bottom line is that you are going to run off alot of good troops who don't want to deal with this stuff if it goes through.

One of the fellows was busted for adultry, but it didn't stop his immorality.

People need to realize that there are gays:

in the military
in every corporation of any size
in every church of any size ... probably on many deacon boards
probably on every bus or subway you ever ride
in every restaurant you eat at

There are pastors, deacons, Sunday School teachers, secretaries, etc., etc., etc. who are gay. I am not arguing that homosexuality is right. I am saying it is a part of our daily lives whether we know it or not and if we are secure within our own sexuality it is no threat.

I do have a difficult time understanding why so many people are insecure in this area.

 

[Revmitchell]

Liberals just display their profound ignorance and pride like the fan tail of a peacock.

 

[Johnv]

I look forward to revmitchell actually contributing to the conversation.

 

[Revmitchell]

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[Johnv]

If you ever do that yourself in any thread let me know.

If you're going to claim to be a reverend, then act like it, and knock off the condesceding and infantile behavior.