Obama Endorses Homosexuality

[Revmitchell]

If you're going to claim to be a reverend, then act like it, and knock off the condesceding[sic] and infantile behavior.

What is that word to use when someone accuses others of the very behavior they are currently displaying?

You arrogance and immaturity is well known and has been expressed regularly on this board. Your original comment was the very example of what you were accusing me of. And you just continue to do that with each and every post. And you have reminded me why you need to be on the ignore list. My suggestion to you to to also put me on yours. That is what is best, that is what is appropriate, and that is what is needed. This is my last word on this.

 

[Johnv]

What is that word to use when someone accuses others of the very behavior they are currently displaying?

Which excuses your behavioir how?

You arrogance and immaturity is well known and has been expressed regularly on this board.

The word you're looking for definitely applies to you here.

Your original comment was the very example of what you were accusing me of.

My original comment was a reply to your original comment, which you obviously recognized as inappropriate, so you removed it.

And you just continue to do that with each and every post.

Bub, you really, REALLY need to look in the mirror.

And you have reminded me why you need to be on the ignore list.

And I should care, why?

My suggestion to you to to also put me on yours.

I don't even use it, so there's no need for me to put anyone on it.

 

[Crabtownboy]

If you're going to claim to be a reverend, then act like it, and knock off the condesceding and infantile behavior.

You are going to have a very long wait ... and don't bother asking questions. :laugh:

But let's stay on topic. I find it strange that gays are attacked viciously by some but that people who are striaght but very immoral are not menntioned.

 

[Johnv]

Ya think? Frankly, I'm tired of a people who claim to be reverends acting like pharisees, treating people with disrespect, accusing anyone who doesn't agree with them as "libbies", etc etc.

Is it too much to expect a reverend to act like one, instead of acting like a street bully iin practically every post?

 

[Crabtownboy]

Ya think? Frankly, I'm tired of a people who claim to be reverends acting like pharisees, treating people with disrespect, accusing anyone who doesn't agree with them as "libbies", etc etc.

Is it too much to expect a reverend to act like one, instead of acting like a street bully iin practically every post?

When I was young I expected more of clergy than I did of myself.

When I reached middle-age I reached a point where I expected no more of clergy than I expected of myself.

Now that I am old I expect less of clergy than I do of myself and I am very ready to forgive their human faults.

They are people just like you and me. I do find many clergy cloak themselves behind a facade believing they will not be accepted if they are just themselves. This is not a slam of clergy, just a reflection of my experiences.

 

[Bro. Curtis]

You are going to have a very long wait ... and don't bother asking questions. :laugh:

But let's stay on topic. I find it strange that gays are attacked viciously by some but that people who are striaght but very immoral are not menntioned.

Then I guess you don't remember the beating John Edwards took, here on this very board.

Pretty dishonest, even for you. And you should talk about unanswered questions.

 

[Crabtownboy]

Then I guess you don't remember the beating John Edwards took, here on this very board.

Pretty dishonest, even for you. And you should talk about unanswered questions.

What in the world does John Edwards have to do with gays in the military and this thread? Oh, one straight person is bashed and that equals thread after thread, post after post of gay gashing.

Should we throw all immoral people both gay and straight out of the military?

 

[Martin]

Maybe you've never had to work, eat, sleep, and shower with about 100 other folks? That would explain why it's a non-issue to you.

==I could not shower in groups. It is just not possible. I tend to be rather picky about a great deal of things, sometimes to the point of obsessed. Privacy is one of those things for me. My personality just would never allow me to be in the military. Having said that, however, I can say that there have been gays in the military from the beginning. I grew up at Fort Bragg (NC) and I have worked with and lived around the military all of my life. So I know something about this even though I don't live near Fort Bragg anymore. Everyone I know acknowledges that there are gays in the military. So this is not about letting them in. Nor is it about approving of their behavior. It is about their right to serve their country in the military. I don't believe that right can be denied unless their behavior causes problems. Nobody can control what another person thinks. When we are at the beach, lake, or pool there is always the possibility of another guy having evil thoughts. We can't control that. The same is true about showers and lockerrooms in high schools, colleges, and on sports teams. There is just nothing we can do about it. So, unless their behavior in the showers (etc) causes a real problem, they should be allowed to remain.

 

[Johnv]

So this is not about letting them in. Nor is it about approving of their behavior. It is about their right to serve their country in the military. I don't believe that right can be denied unless their behavior causes problems. Nobody can control what another person thinks.

I concur with your post.

 

[Revmitchell]

No one has a right to serve in the Military. It is a privilege. Many people get denied service because of current or prior behavior. And homosexuals in the service in a open and accepted manner would no doubt cause problems. And as has been point out would cause the enlistment rate to drop dramatically.

 

[Johnv]

No one has a right to serve in the Military. It is a privilege.

You, too, make a good point.

 

[Martin]

No one has a right to serve in the Military. It is a privilege. Many people get denied service because of current or prior behavior. And homosexuals in the service in a open and accepted manner would no doubt cause problems. And as has been point out would cause the enlistment rate to drop dramatically.

==Your right, and I was wrong, being in the military is not a "right". Poor choice of words on my part. I was talking to a young man just yesterday who had been denied because of a heart condition.

Now, back to the topic. There are gays in the military right now and there are people who are openly so. If you don't believe me, let's take a trip to Fayetteville, NC (Fort Bragg, Pope Airforce Base) sometime. I grew up there and worked there until just a few years ago. Honestly, I tried not to notice these things but sometimes you just can't help but notice. As to whether or not enlistment rates would drop if don't ask, don't tell was done away with, we will just have to wait and see. Personally I don't think it will have that big of impact on enlistments.

 

[Bro. Curtis]

What in the world does John Edwards have to do with gays in the military and this thread? Oh, one straight person is bashed and that equals thread after thread, post after post of gay gashing.

Should we throw all immoral people both gay and straight out of the military?

Since it opens them up to bribery, & blackmail, I would lean towards "yup".

 

[Crabtownboy]

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You must be an idiot. Are you ? Or are you so dishonest you will deny bringing up comparing straight immorality to homosexuality ? Which is it ?

Ah, there you go again. Ralized you stepped in it so you try to insult others. You are an absolute hoot. :laugh:

Immorality is immorality is immorality ... sin is sin is sin.

Since it opens them up to bribery, & blackmail, I would lean towards "yup".

Well, let me try again. The topic is gays in the military.

I have enjoyed watching and listening to you play Bluegrass. You are much more rational with your music than your comments here.

 

[Martin]

Or are you so dishonest you will deny bringing up comparing straight immorality to homosexuality ? Which is it ?".

There is no moral, Biblical difference. Immorality is immorality and all forms of it are condemned (Rom 1:18-32, 1Cor 6:9-10, Gal 5:19-21, Eph 5:3-7, Rev 21:8). Scripture is just as strong in its condemnation of "straight immorality" as it is in its condemnation of "homosexuality". Immoral people, gay or straight, will find their eternal home to be the lake of fire.

Since it opens them up to bribery, & blackmail, I would lean towards "yup".

If we are going to throw all immoral people, gay or straight, out of the military then we will not have a military.

 

[Bob Alkire]

No one has a right to serve in the Military. It is a privilege. Many people get denied service because of current or prior behavior. And homosexuals in the service in a open and accepted manner would no doubt cause problems. And as has been point out would cause the enlistment rate to drop dramatically.

I don't know if I agree 100% with you. I got a letter in the mail from the draft board, so I dodged the draft and joined the Air Force. I can tell you for sure, if the letter had not come, I would not have went into the service.

My father was in WWII in Europe and what happen to him changed my life.
He came back with such distrust of the government he would not allow us to go to public schools. He taught us that FDR was as close as one could get to being the Antichrist and not be him and Patton was all guts and your blood, he didn't care for how far they got ahead of supplies. Now with that said, he believed every male should serve three or four years in the service, and to lose your life was a small price to pay to live in this country. Now he was a strong Calvinist and I'm not, he believed you weren't going to die until the time had come, so don't worry about it and I agree with that, he believed everything good and bad that happen every moment of the day is God's plan or he allows and man has no affect on anything, I disagree with him there.

 

[Bro. Curtis]

Ah, there you go again. Ralized you stepped in it so you try to insult others. You are an absolute hoot. :laugh:

And you are dishonest. You brought up the comparison, and accused people of being more3 inclined to criticize one over the other. The post was on-topic. I stepped in nothing.

Immorality is immorality is immorality ... sin is sin is sin.

Well, let me try again. The topic is gays in the military.

Then don't bring up other immorality. When you change the topic, you cannot berate those who follow your example.

 

[Bro. Curtis]

There is no moral, Biblical difference. Immorality is immorality and all forms of it are condemned (Rom 1:18-32, 1Cor 6:9-10, Gal 5:19-21, Eph 5:3-7, Rev 21:8). Scripture is just as strong in its condemnation of "straight immorality" as it is in its condemnation of "homosexuality". Immoral people, gay or straight, will find their eternal home to be the lake of fire.



If we are going to throw all immoral people, gay or straight, out of the military then we will not have a military.

I don't believe that. What was your experience when you served ?

 

[Crabtownboy]

Calm down.

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And you are dishonest. You brought up the comparison, and accused people of being more3 inclined to criticize one over the other. The post was on-topic. I stepped in nothing.

One thread on a straight person does not equal untold numbers bashing gays.

Then don't bring up other immorality. When you change the topic, you cannot berate those who follow your example.

Yes, stop trying to derail the thread, it will be most appreciated.

 

[Revmitchell]

There is no moral, Biblical difference. Immorality is immorality and all forms of it are condemned (Rom 1:18-32, 1Cor 6:9-10, Gal 5:19-21, Eph 5:3-7, Rev 21:8). Scripture is just as strong in its condemnation of "straight immorality" as it is in its condemnation of "homosexuality". Immoral people, gay or straight, will find their eternal home to be the lake of fire.



If we are going to throw all immoral people, gay or straight, out of the military then we will not have a military.

First it has been noted elsewhere in this thread that immorality of any kind can get you into trouble and possibly get you thrown out. But the comparison to straight verses gay immorality is irrelevant. The consequences of homosexual behavior creates special issues that create the need to keep them out regardless of the immorality of it. Having said that immorality of all kinds disqualifies you from service. Not just homosexuality.It is not appropriate to over look this any more than it is to overlook anything else.