Obama Is One More Sign that America is Beyond a Mass Revival

[righteousdude2]

Agreed!

As for RD2, it was his personal opinion he presented, and whatever intent we can draw, we can acknowledge that he has concerns...... some which most of us can identify with...... and his concerns point to a need for reversal but an impasse' which he cannot even imagine as within the realm of normal possibility. Indeed I frequently think this is the case: I don't think any will know when that last straw is cut, fit for the fire...... and when it happens .......those of the redeemed may wish more judgment and fear and respect for God and warning about judgment and sin had been preached. Somehow, it seems impossible to appreciate the love and patience of God and the cost of salvation without first coming to an understanding of our own filthiness and inadequacy and undeserving. We already live in such privilege, and peace, and prosperity..... even in these troubling times..... we have no real idea just how helpless, hopeless, and naked we are in his sight.... and we take his love for granted. Such an thankful and unholy generation never before existed as that which we've become today!:tear:

There were several of you who "AGREED" with my concerns and the message I delivered on this Forum. I appreciate the fact that you too, have seen what I have seen, and that Scripture backs up the message.

I am not stating that Obama being elected to POTUS was the reason judgment is falling on America. What I said was his being POTUS expresses the will of the people in this nation, and it clearly shows how dark, vile, and decadent the minds and hearts of Americans have become since 9/11/01. Under George Bush we observed a definite decline in the spiritual values of Americans. The massive amount of pure hate generated by every act and word from Bush grew into something that caused me to shudder deep within my soul.

Obama was not the sign of the end for this nation, he is simply, "one more sign" of the heart, thoughts, and souls of a growing majority of individuals that call themselves American's.

I also stated that while I don't see God laying out a massive, nation changing revival, the fact that we've been called to share the Good News, means there will be "hot spot"revivals throughout the nation in every city, township, and community. It is not going to be the kind of revival that Billy Sunday, and Billy Graham were blessed to be a part of.The kind of revival fire that swept over this nation and filled the churches in every community with people that were "Hungry" for the pure Word of God, and the need to direct and point their heart toward Holiness.

Today we have people that are only hungry for the Word of God to tickle their ears, and give them justification to sin. Truly it is not that difficult to see what is going on all around us when it comes to a church that has been called to come out of the world we live in, be Holy and be the salt of the earth, a salt that serves to preserve the church that shines brightly like a beacon on the highest hill, leading all that see its light to the cross of our Savior. However, the salt has lost its saltiness, and it is about to be thrown out and trampled by the sinful men and women the refused to hear the truth and turn back to God.

Shalom,

Pastor Paul:type:

 

[righteousdude2]

You're Right

Actually----------Billy Graham preached his first Los Angeles crusade in the year 1948--------which is still in the first half of the century----which would qualify it as the early 1900's---------anything after 1950 would be the late 1900's------wouldn't it???

Please forgive me brother, I should have removed the "early" and I didn't. You are right on about this.....

Pastor Paul:type:

 

[billwald]

>>Originally Posted by billwald
When did revival meetings or
"Basic Youth Conflicts" or "Promise Keepers" ever change anything? In which city did the crime rate drop? No statistical evidence, no measurable change.

>Wow! This is about the most non-Christian thing you can say.

Why you say that? Should not a big bunch of people getting saved in one city change the crime statistics? Or at least the highway accident rate should decrease?

What is the purpose of electing Bible believing Republicans and posting the 10 Commandments all over town and and passing "Christianizing" laws if it doesn't reduce the crime rate? Or is the only purpose to get more people into the lifeboat and expedite the rest into Hell?

 

[BigBossman]

>>Originally Posted by billwald
When did revival meetings or
"Basic Youth Conflicts" or "Promise Keepers" ever change anything? In which city did the crime rate drop? No statistical evidence, no measurable change.

>Wow! This is about the most non-Christian thing you can say.

Why you say that? Should not a big bunch of people getting saved in one city change the crime statistics? Or at least the highway accident rate should decrease?

What is the purpose of electing Bible believing Republicans and posting the 10 Commandments all over town and and passing "Christianizing" laws if it doesn't reduce the crime rate? Or is the only purpose to get more people into the lifeboat and expedite the rest into Hell?

Are you saying that we shouldn't preach the gospel? You make it sound like that people should just give up & do absolutely nothing.

 

[TomVols]

Can't believe I'm saying this but BillWald is right about something: what we call "Revival" nowadays isn't revival. Historically, revival changed churches and communities. CHANGED them. Not gave a few people some kind of "blessing." Read the stories of the Great Awakenings, the Evan Roberts movement, etc. Life was no longer the same.

BHO does not mean America is beyond revival, btw.

 

[rbell]

When did revival meetings or
"Basic Youth Conflicts" or "Promise Keepers" ever change anything? In which city did the crime rate drop? No statistical evidence, no measurable change.

Who said anything about meetings?

We're talking about revival.

You do know the difference, don't you?

 

[rbell]

What is the purpose of electing Bible believing Republicans and posting the 10 Commandments all over town and and passing "Christianizing" laws if it doesn't reduce the crime rate? Or is the only purpose to get more people into the lifeboat and expedite the rest into Hell?

This just further solidifies my belief that you have absolutely no concept of what a true revival is.

 

[rbell]

I also stated that while I don't see God laying out a massive, nation changing revival, the fact that we've been called to share the Good News, means there will be "hot spot"revivals throughout the nation in every city, township, and community. It is not going to be the kind of revival that Billy Sunday, and Billy Graham were blessed to be a part of.The kind of revival fire that swept over this nation and filled the churches in every community with people that were "Hungry" for the pure Word of God, and the need to direct and point their heart toward Holiness.

Today we have people that are only hungry for the Word of God to tickle their ears, and give them justification to sin. Truly it is not that difficult to see what is going on all around us when it comes to a church that has been called to come out of the world we live in, be Holy and be the salt of the earth, a salt that serves to preserve the church that shines brightly like a beacon on the highest hill, leading all that see its light to the cross of our Savior. However, the salt has lost its saltiness, and it is about to be thrown out and trampled by the sinful men and women the refused to hear the truth and turn back to God.

But once again...it's not your call to make as to whether or not another Great Awakening will happen.

No doubt, I'm sure that you, me, and the rest of the folks here are praying it does (well, apparently there's one BB poster on this thread that doesn't seem to want it). And there's no doubt that a major component will be repentance.

It is not for us to know or decide about the timing or nature of revival. We are simply to be faithful and be prepared. For all you or I know, a great awakening could begin tomorrow and sweep the world.

 

[webdog]

Sodom and Gamorah only needed 10 to be spared. There is no "beyond mass revival", IMO.

 

[billwald]

>This just further solidifies my belief that you have absolutely no concept of what a true revival is.

Revival is a major mass miracle from God. I don't recall any revivals in the last 40 years in the US.

 

[JustChristian]

>This just further solidifies my belief that you have absolutely no concept of what a true revival is.

Revival is a major mass miracle from God. I don't recall any revivals in the last 40 years in the US.

I believe that Billy Graham crusades brought many to Christ and made significant changes in communities at least for a while. On the other hand, I believe that a person's relationship with God is a personal thing and we shouldn't look to mass revivals to "change America." Changing America is done by evangelizing individuals. Besides, Christ will not judge countries on the Judgment Day. He will judge each one of us individually.

Remember that strait is the way and narrow is the gate that leadeth unto salvation. That's because true Christianity is never easy. It's very difficult as the deciples found out.

 

[tinytim]

Changing America is done by evangelizing individuals.

PLUS!!!

Christians voting using Biblical values...

And Abortion is not a Biblical value.
Standing for Homosexual rights is not biblical.
Not trusting God with the environment is not biblical.
Ignoring the statement that if people don't work, they shouldn't eat is not biblical.

When a Christian stand before God and they didn't use their God-given right to vote to promote Christian values in America, they will be in trouble.

 

[just-want-peace]

PLUS!!!

Christians voting using Biblical values...

And Abortion is not a Biblical value.
Standing for Homosexual rights is not biblical.
Not trusting God with the environment is not biblical.
Ignoring the statement that if people don't work, they shouldn't eat is not biblical.

When a Christian stand before God and they didn't use their God-given right to vote to promote Christian values in America, they will be in trouble.

AMEN, AMEN, AND AMEN!!!!

 

[righteousdude2]

You're Sooo Right...

But once again...it's not your call to make as to whether or not another Great Awakening will happen.

No doubt, I'm sure that you, me, and the rest of the folks here are praying it does (well, apparently there's one BB poster on this thread that doesn't seem to want it). And there's no doubt that a major component will be repentance.

It is not for us to know or decide about the timing or nature of revival. We are simply to be faithful and be prepared. For all you or I know, a great awakening could begin tomorrow and sweep the world.

It is NOT my call, but, than again, I never said it was my call. I simply discussed my opinion, based upon that verse of Paul's in Romans 1. I can see the morality, values, and Christ like love slowly slipping away from the American society. Even the church is giving into to sin by accepting sin, or winking at that sin while we turn our heads and do nothing to crush the source and implement His teachings in the huge void of immorality.

I'm not making it my call rBell...I am simply saying that from where I stand, it is quite obvious that God has turned mankind over to their sinful desires. And that my brother, is the beginning of the end [end times that is].

All I'm asking in this post is for the church to look around their community and see the gradual decline in the values and morals of this society, the greatest society on earth. It is still a fact, that how America goes, so does the rest of the world. If we had a strong faith, just think what the rest of this world could be like.

Massive revivals in America is "dead!" Sorry if you don't agree with me. It is my belief, not a "call!"

Pastor Paul:type:

 

[just-want-peace]

It is NOT my call, but, than again, I never said it was my call. I simply discussed my opinion, based upon that verse of Paul's in Romans 1. I can see the morality, values, and Christ like love slowly slipping away from the American society. Even the church is giving into to sin by accepting sin, or winking at that sin while we turn our heads and do nothing to crush the source and implement His teachings in the huge void of immorality.

I'm not making it my call rBell...I am simply saying that from where I stand, it is quite obvious that God has turned mankind over to their sinful desires. And that my brother, is the beginning of the end [end times that is].

All I'm asking in this post is for the church to look around their community and see the gradual decline in the values and morals of this society, the greatest society on earth. It is still a fact, that how America goes, so does the rest of the world. If we had a strong faith, just think what the rest of this world could be like.

Massive revivals in America is "dead!" Sorry if you don't agree with me. It is my belief, not a "call!"

Pastor Paul:type:

Well stated RD2!

The only point I disagree with is "gradual ---" cuz I see it more as an avalanche!

I think God has turned this country over to the perverts (spiritual AND physical) to do as they see please.

Rom 1:24 Wherefore God also gave them up to uncleanness through the lusts of their own hearts----
Rom 1:26 For this cause God gave them up unto vile affections:--
Rom 1:28 --- God gave them over to a reprobate mind, to do those things which are not convenient---

Again though, just like RD2, my personal opinion!!

 

[JustChristian]

PLUS!!!

Christians voting using Biblical values...

And Abortion is not a Biblical value.
Standing for Homosexual rights is not biblical.
Not trusting God with the environment is not biblical.
Ignoring the statement that if people don't work, they shouldn't eat is not biblical.

When a Christian stand before God and they didn't use their God-given right to vote to promote Christian values in America, they will be in trouble.

I thought we were talking asbout revival. Your post about abortion has nothing to do with that.

 

[Steven2006]

I don't think we should put the limits on anything as it pertains to what
God might bring about for His glory.

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[JustChristian]

I don't think we should put the limits on anything as it pertains to what
God might bring about for His glory.

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I would say the same thing about professing Christians supporting an unjust war in which thousands of innocent people are slaughtered. That certainly doesn't bring glory to God. Jesus was the Prince of Peace not your god of war.

 

[LadyEagle]

Jesus was the Prince of Peace not your god of war.

Jesus is coming back as a warrior on a white horse. Read your Bible.

 

[rbell]

Massive revivals in America is "dead!" Sorry if you don't agree with me. It is my belief, not a "call!"

If God wishes to use the massive revival, can He not do it? Does 2 Chronicles 7:14 still not apply?