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O'bama rex: NO Nuclear Weapons????

LeBuick

New Member
To put it bluntly you don't know what you are talking about. Reagan did not define any system. Unlike the leftists he did not believe that the president automatically became the fount of all knowledge. He started a program that looked at many approaches to missile defense. The first successful defense was actually a missile that could hit an incoming missile. There is currently a system that uses lasers to destroy the missile early after lift off. That system is apparently being axed by O'bama rex.

I know we don't consider Wiki as gospel but I think it will do here...

Remember SDI... Strategic Defense Initiative...

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Strategic_Defense_Initiative

The initial focus of the strategic defense initiative was a nuclear explosion-powered X-ray laser designed at Lawrence Livermore National Laboratory by a scientist named Peter L. Hagelstein who worked with a team called 'O Group', doing much of the work in the late 1970s and early 1980s. O Group was headed by physicist Lowell Wood, a protégé and friend of Edward Teller, the "father of the hydrogen bomb".

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The concept for the space-based portion was to use lasers to shoot down incoming Soviet intercontinental ballistic missiles (ICBMs) armed with nuclear warheads. Nobel Prize-winning physicist Hans Bethe went to Livermore in February 1983 for a two-day briefing on the X-ray laser, and "Although impressed with its scientific novelty, Bethe went away highly skeptical it would contribute anything to the nation's defense."[3]

Either way we spent a ton of cash on SDI and it never amounted to anything...
 

LeBuick

New Member
Libbies oppose everything defense. It is sad ignorance and foolish motives.

Me no hate defense... Then again I'm not a libbie so I don't think you were talking to me.

You have to admit that we throw away a lot of money buying trash that don't work. How about the new presidential helicopters for example. Now those were a real waste of money.

I was a radio repairman while I was in the service and the special forces got these new radios that wouldn't talk to any of the radios in the inventory. Just to each other. And they had to be standing next to each other for that to work. That was a huge waste of money.

Reagan did some good defense investments but SDI was not one of them. It was as bad as this Bush missile shield they wanted to build in Europe. What we have is better than what they wanted to build.
 

blackbird

Active Member
You have to admit that we throw away a lot of money buying trash that don't work.

I was a radio repairman while I was in the service and the special forces got these new radios that wouldn't talk to any of the radios in the inventory. Just to each other. And they had to be standing next to each other for that to work. That was a huge waste of money.

Walkie-Talkies from Western Auto!!!!!!!:laugh::laugh::laugh:
 

LeBuick

New Member
Walkie-Talkies from Western Auto!!!!!!!:laugh::laugh::laugh:

Would have worked better than those things...

Remember when we invaded Grenada and a soldier had to use a public phone to call in an air strike? I was in the service during that time...
 

targus

New Member
He's not talking about unilateral US disarmament. He's talking about a reduction of nuclear weapons worldwide.

What other country are you expecting to participate in the disarmament?

China?
Russia?
Pakistan?
India?

Are you expecting North Korea to give up it's nuclear weapons progam?

Iran?
 

Revmitchell

Well-Known Member
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Me no hate defense... Then again I'm not a libbie so I don't think you were talking to me.

You have to admit that we throw away a lot of money buying trash that don't work. How about the new presidential helicopters for example. Now those were a real waste of money.

I was a radio repairman while I was in the service and the special forces got these new radios that wouldn't talk to any of the radios in the inventory. Just to each other. And they had to be standing next to each other for that to work. That was a huge waste of money.

Reagan did some good defense investments but SDI was not one of them. It was as bad as this Bush missile shield they wanted to build in Europe. What we have is better than what they wanted to build.

And you know this how?
 

LeBuick

New Member
Anything other than the break up of the Soviet Union and the falling of the Iron Curtain.

In hind site we know that we didn't need to spend nearly as much as we did since the soviets didn't have the stock pile we believed and their weapons were more harmful to themselves than to us. They cut some many corners until their stuff was trashy and dangerous.

So hind site really says Carter was more right than Reagan and I don't believe it was our defense posture that tore down the iron curtain. It was the collapse of their economy.
 

LeBuick

New Member
What other country are you expecting to participate in the disarmament?

China?
Russia?
Pakistan?
India?

Are you expecting North Korea to give up it's nuclear weapons progam?

Iran?

I don't want to speak for JC but I don't think any country will actually disarm. The point is that we asked. That was the same thing Reagan did. He asked.
 

targus

New Member
In hind site we know that we didn't need to spend nearly as much as we did since the soviets didn't have the stock pile we believed and their weapons were more harmful to themselves than to us. They cut some many corners until their stuff was trashy and dangerous.

So hind site really says Carter was more right than Reagan and I don't believe it was our defense posture that tore down the iron curtain. It was the collapse of their economy.

Well, you are half right.

The Soviet Union dissolved and the Iron Curtain fell because their economy collapsed because they were attempting to keep up with the military technology of the U.S.

So, yes, we did need to spend as much as we did. We set the pace for the race and they ran out of steam trying to catch us.
 

targus

New Member
I don't want to speak for JC but I don't think any country will actually disarm. The point is that we asked. That was the same thing Reagan did. He asked.

Reagan engaged in discussions of disarming from a position of strength. He threated them with a defense shield.

Obama is doing it from a position of weakness. When one annouces that one is going to disarm oneself before engaging in the negotiations the other side has no reason to negotiate. Obama is threatening them by rolling over and begging.
 

LeBuick

New Member
Obama is doing it from a position of weakness. When one annouces that one is going to disarm oneself before engaging in the negotiations the other side has no reason to negotiate. Obama is threatening them by rolling over and begging.

Do I really have to show you my big gun for you to know I'm the last super power? I don't think we need to flex our muscles for others to know our capabilities. That is the bully tactics from the past that has failed miserably foreign policy wise. It has made the US the most hated country in the world.

Also, you are twisting what he said. He is saying the same thing Reagan said, let's sign a treaty and agree to simultaneously reduce our stock piles... No one would get rid of all their weapons then say, "ok, now you guys do it also"...
 

targus

New Member
Does Obama suffer from split personalities or something?

Isn't this the guy that talked about nuking Pakistan during the campaign?
 

OldRegular

Well-Known Member
I know we don't consider Wiki as gospel but I think it will do here...

Remember SDI... Strategic Defense Initiative...

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Strategic_Defense_Initiative



Either way we spent a ton of cash on SDI and it never amounted to anything...

I don't consider Wiki anything but a collection of opinion, not fact. SDI as initially proposed was to come up with a system that would destroy a portion of incoming missiles. Research was not limited to one system as you want to imply. The current missile defense system is the outcome of President Reagan's SDI.
 

OldRegular

Well-Known Member
So hind site really says Carter was more right than Reagan and I don't believe it was our defense posture that tore down the iron curtain. It was the collapse of their economy.

Carter should have stayed on the peanut farm.

The reason that the Soviet Union went belly up was the Missile defense System proposed by President Reagan Gorbachev knew they could not keep up.
 

OldRegular

Well-Known Member
Originally Posted by LeBuick
Reagan's defense shield was a huge laser in a plane that was supposed to destroy the war head but not the missile. Remember the phrase star wars? So yes he spent a ton of money on missile defense but his ideas and all that money never amounted to missile defense.

No, we have adequate defense systems in AK and have had them from the times of the soviet threat. Not only the allusion islands but the northern parts of AK are more protected than anyone realizes. If Gov Palin should know that and not look so naive calling for more missiles like she is. What she is doing is confirming what the rest of us know, she doesn't have a clue.

What does she want, the US to make public our defenses just to shut her up?

Listen, currently, this day, no missile in existance can penetrate onto our land unless we allow it. And the North American Defense shield also protects our bothers in Canada. All this talk about Obama is making us vulnerable is just right wing fear mongering. There is yet to be a missile that can penetrate our air space and that one NK built doesn't come close. We say it via satellite from the time it was launched. We had absolutely nothing to fear.

It appears that you are confused, LeBuick, but that is to be understood. Where did the missile defense system in Alaska come from, the polar bears. I have addressed the delusion that it would have defended against soviet milliles on another thread.

The missile system currently deployed in Alaska is the outgrowth of President Reagan’s Strategic Defense Initiative. This system , or a similar system, is also deployed on some surface ships and was the same as that Bush wanted to deploy in Eastern Europe.
 

rbell

Active Member
Once again...both Reagan and Obama say, "peace."

Reagan believed in "peace through strength."

The jury's not quite in...but apparently Obama has reincarnated the Carter doctrine: "peace through appeasement."

BTW...only one works. Just thought you'd like to know.
 

LeBuick

New Member
The missile system currently deployed in Alaska is the outgrowth of President Reagan’s Strategic Defense Initiative. This system , or a similar system, is also deployed on some surface ships and was the same as that Bush wanted to deploy in Eastern Europe.

Do you have proof of this? I don't recall this being the case. I know we initially put missiles in the allusions island and in the polar cap back in the 50's.
 

LeBuick

New Member
Once again...both Reagan and Obama say, "peace."

Reagan believed in "peace through strength."

The jury's not quite in...but apparently Obama has reincarnated the Carter doctrine: "peace through appeasement."

BTW...only one works. Just thought you'd like to know.

Like you said, the jury is still out.
 
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