Obama voted for religious freedom in IL

[church mouse guy]

This thread is for you, CBT, as per your request. News travels slow.

Obama voted for religious freedom in IL.

"In an appearance on ABC's This Week, Indiana governor Mike Pence defended his state's Religious Freedom Restoration Act by noting that Barack Obama had voted for the same law as an Illinois state senator....

"This Week Host George Stephanoplous later asked White House press secretary Josh Earnest to respond to Pence's claim: "Josh, you just heard the governor say right there this is the same law, he says, that Barack Obama voted for as a state senator back in Illinois."

"Earnest didn't dispute the Indiana governor's statement...."

http://www.weeklystandard.com/blogs...-freedom-law-obama-voted-illinois_902459.html

 

[SolaSaint]

Mouse I think this goes to show how much more militant the LGBTQ crowd is becoming. They are getting more traction out of anything hinting of homophobia. Sad days we live in, even sadder for our children.

 

[Crabtownboy]

This thread is for you, CBT, as per your request. News travels slow.

Obama voted for religious freedom in IL.

"In an appearance on ABC's This Week, Indiana governor Mike Pence defended his state's Religious Freedom Restoration Act by noting that Barack Obama had voted for the same law as an Illinois state senator....

"This Week Host George Stephanoplous later asked White House press secretary Josh Earnest to respond to Pence's claim: "Josh, you just heard the governor say right there this is the same law, he says, that Barack Obama voted for as a state senator back in Illinois."

"Earnest didn't dispute the Indiana governor's statement...."

http://www.weeklystandard.com/blogs...-freedom-law-obama-voted-illinois_902459.html

As I suspected you and others are taking liberties with the truth. It is not exactly the same law. Pence may say it is, your may say it is, but the language in the two bills are different. So you are wrong.

The bottom line: As an Illinois state senator, Obama did vote for a version of the Religious Freedom Restoration Act. It passed the Illinois Senate 56-0 and became law on July 1, 1998.

However, the language isn’t the "very same," and the claim is not as simple as lining up one vote next to the other and declaring them equal, experts told us.

States started passing their own laws when the U.S. Supreme Court decided in 1997 that the federal Religious Freedom Restoration Act signed did not apply to the states. Since then, 19 states have passed their own laws. Many, like Illinois, did so in the initial wave.

Conservatives in Indiana and elsewhere see the Religious Freedom Restoration Act as a vehicle for fighting back against the legalization of same-sex marriage.

In 2015, lawmakers in 16 states have introduced legislation that proposes or changes laws protecting religious liberty. Arizona Gov. Jan Brewer vetoed a similar but more widely opposed law in 2014.

The wording of each state’s law is similar in that neither mentions sexual orientation or discrimination. But the Human Rights Campaign, which opposes Indiana’s law, says the law is fundamentally different than the federal version and Illinois’ over its definition of "person."

Under Indiana’s post-Hobby Lobby law, a "person" is extended to mean "a partnership, a limited liability company, a corporation, a company, a firm, a society, a joint-stock company, an unincorporated association" or another entity driven by religious belief that can sue and be sued.

To the Human Rights Campaign, this nullifies Pence’s claim that his law is nothing new from the Illinois law.

"That means a corporation in Indiana has a cause of action to sue the government claiming religious personhood for the purposes of this law," said HRC spokesman Adam Talbot.

To Wilson, the inclusion of a corporation is not surprising. It was not typical to define "person" in religious freedom legislation, she said, which gets to the heart of the Hobby Lobby case. The Supreme Court decided laws could be applied to "closely held" companies operating on religious belief.

As for the language itself, Pence is incorrect to say the language is the same. Some pro-LGBT rights groups say the outright inclusion of a corporation or company as a "person" is overly broad, though the true impact will likely only really be settled when matters are sent to a court.

Overall, Pence’s claim is partially accurate but misses important context. We rate it Half True.

http://www.politifact.com/truth-o-m...rack-obama-vote-religious-freedom-restoratio/

 

[church mouse guy]

Mouse I think this goes to show how much more militant the LGBTQ crowd is becoming. They are getting more traction out of anything hinting of homophobia. Sad days we live in, even sadder for our children.

They have hundreds of condominiums downtown Indianapolis and own dozens of restaurants, bars, and stores. They are the primary ethnic group downtown Indianapolis so it is easy for them to protest at the Indiana State House downtown.

They don't care about the Illinois law because the Illinois economy is in a depression and Chicago is going the way of Detroit so Illinois is not worth fighting for in their eyes.

Besides, they are hypocrites. Gays are all Dems and the were frightened by the intellect and skill of Cruz and they decided to attack IN Gov. Pence. They probably did not realize that he had several years in Congress as a leader of sorts. Also, Pence had advice from several law professors nationwide.

Also, the gays hope to disrupt the Final Four this weekend over their wedding cakes.

 

[church mouse guy]

As I suspected you and others are taking liberties with the truth. It is not exactly the same law. Pence may say it is, your may say it is, but the language in the two bills are different. So you are wrong.

It's too bad that the White House didn't take your line of reasoning. There are lots of people who will do anything for a buck. They will bake themed cakes for the KKK and the Nazis; they will rent church facilities for same-sex weddings; they will let men use the ladies' room. They will arrange special flower bouquets for Planned Parenthood for the millionth child executed by Planned Parenthood Montana. Anything for a buck.

Actually, gays themselves will bake cakes in the shape of swastikas, etc., etc., etc.

I am glad that I am on borrowed time because I don't think that I want to live in the brave new world that America is falling into.

 

[targus]

As I suspected you and others are taking liberties with the truth. It is not exactly the same law. Pence may say it is, your may say it is, but the language in the two bills are different. So you are wrong.

So the difference is corporations vs persons?

The Supreme Court addressed this issue in the Hobby Lobby decision.

And it didn't go your way.

 

[church mouse guy]

Pence and some state Senators are looking into that issue and promise to give an answer after consulting with many, many others.