obama: waterboarding vs. slaughtering the unborn

[OldRegular]

obama has piously proclaimed that waterboarding is torture. In doing so he has deliberately and with malice aforethought opened the door for persecution and prosecution of Bush Administration officials and CIA agents who participated in the enhanced interrogation of terrorists at Gitmo. That interrogation prevented further terrorist attacks on Americans. and I believe that it was completely justified.

In contrast obama prior to becoming a US Senator voted in the Illinois Senate against a bill that would require medical treatment and save the lives of those babies born alive after a "botched" abortion. During the campaign he promised to sign the so-called Freedom of Choice Act which would remove all restrictions on abortion including Partial Birth Abortion.

Now obama does not consider it torture:

1. To dismember a baby while in the womb and remove the parts one piece at a time.

2. To inject a saline solution into the womb scalding the baby to death.

3. To turn a baby in the womb, extract it feet first until its head is exposed, puncture the neck below the skull, insert a catheter, and suction out the brain, allowing the skull to collapse and the delivery of a dead baby. This particular procedure was developed to ensure that late term abortions were successful. I believe the contribution of "killer diller".

I believe it is the utmost hypocrisy for obama and his leftists cohorts to whine about waterboarding and yet champion the above abortion procedures, or abortion by any other way the evil mind can conceive.

There are many on this Forum who champion obama. I would like them to address the hypocrisy of obama's stand on waterboarding and his stand on the slaughter of the unborn and just born.

I realize that some will use the cop out that abortion is legal but it is not. It is certainly not legal or moral in the sight of GOD and that is the criteria for Christians. It is not even legal for those who claim to champion the Constitution. It is simply the opinion of seven men, appropriately dressed in black, using obama's stated criteria for a Supreme Court Justice, who invented a supposed right to slaughter the unborn, 50,000,000 and counting.

 

[Magnetic Poles]

Waterboarding vs. Abortion.
About as related as:

Fried chicken vs. bicycles

Toenails vs. speedometers

Country music vs. boneless ham

 

[Salty]

Waterboarding vs. Abortion.
About as related as:
Fried chicken vs. bicycles
Toenails vs. speedometers
Country music vs. boneless ham

I think OR gave an EXCELLENT analogy.

 

[canadyjd]

There are many on this Forum who champion obama. I would like them to address the hypocrisy of obama's stand on waterboarding and his stand on the slaughter of the unborn and just born.

I realize that some will use the cop out that abortion is legal but it is not. It is certainly not legal or moral in the sight of GOD and that is the criteria for Christians.

While abortion is not legal or moral in the sight of God, neither is torture.

Obama should be taken to task for his hypocrisy.

So should every Christian that believes torture is ok, since they are walking more like Obama than Christ.

peace to youraying:

 

[OldRegular]

While abortion is not legal or moral in the sight of God, neither is torture.

Obama should be taken to task for his hypocrisy.

So should every Christian that believes torture is ok, since they are walking more like Obama than Christ.

peace to youraying:

I don't want this thread to become a discussion of whether or not waterboarding is torture. I don't believe that it is. You apparently do. Okay, we disagree!

The question I want discussed on this thread is the hypocrisy of obama's stand on waterboarding and his stand on the slaughter of the unborn and just born.

Can we please limit the discussion to this topic alone and not get side tracked as most threads do.

 

[Crabtownboy]

I don't want this thread to become a discussion of whether or not waterboarding is torture. I don't believe that it is. You apparently do. Okay, we disagree!

The question I want discussed on this thread is the hypocrisy of obama's stand on waterboarding and his stand on the slaughter of the unborn and just born.

Can we please limit the discussion to this topic alone and not get side tracked as most threads do.

Both are sins ... and sin is sin is sin.

If waterboarding is not torture why did we place Japanese soldiers on trail for torture, waterboarding, after WW II?
Why were US soldiers court martialed in Vietnam when they used waterboarding?
Why is waterboarding an international war crime if it is not toture?

What is your definition of torture?

 

[tinytim]

Waterboarding vs. Abortion.
About as related as:

Fried chicken vs. bicycles

Toenails vs. speedometers

Country music vs. boneless ham

Head in the sand again?

 

[canadyjd]

The question I want discussed on this thread is the hypocrisy of obama's stand on waterboarding and his stand on the slaughter of the unborn and just born.

Can we please limit the discussion to this topic alone and not get side tracked as most threads do.

I like you alot, OldRegular, and I appreciate your posts. But, look, the hypocrisy cuts both ways.

Obama hasn't particular appeared to me to be a true Christian. You and others have. I have to admit to being appalled at some of the comments Christians are making concerning the torture issue. I expect it from the lost, not from the saved.

I have said my peace, I won't bother your thread anymore.

peace to youraying:

 

[OldRegular]

Both are sins ... and sin is sin is sin.

If waterboarding is not torture why did we place Japanese soldiers on trail for torture, waterboarding, after WW II?
Why were US soldiers court martialed in Vietnam when they used waterboarding?
Why is waterboarding an international war crime if it is not toture?

What is your definition of torture?

Why do you people persist in trying to derail this thread?

I don't want this thread to become a discussion of whether or not waterboarding is torture. I don't believe that it is. You apparently do. Okay, we disagree!

The question I want discussed on this thread is the hypocrisy of obama's stand on waterboarding and his stand on the slaughter of the unborn and just born.

Can we please limit the discussion to this topic alone and not get side tracked as most threads do.

 

[Crabtownboy]

Why do you people persist in trying to derail this thread?

I don't want this thread to become a discussion of whether or not waterboarding is torture. I don't believe that it is. You apparently do. Okay, we disagree!

The question I want discussed on this thread is the of obama's stand on waterboarding and his stand on the slaughter of the unborn and just born.

Can we please limit the discussion to this topic alone and not get side tracked as most threads do.

Look at the title you put on the thread. You opened the subject and it cannot be discussed without both being considered.

For one thing, the Supreme Court has ruled on abortion and it is legal. This is not to say it is moral ... but it is legal.

Waterboarding is recognized as illegal in most of the world, and the US, in the past and again now I hope, considers it illegal,.

That is the difference. You are trying to justify apples by throwing oranges and the logic does not hold.

If the Supreme Court rules that waterboarding is legal or that abortion is illegal then your OP migh have some logical validity.

So, like it or not there is no hypocrisy on Obama's part. One is currently legal and one is, by precrdent illegal.

Both are immoral IMHO, but both are not illegal. Legality and morality are different subjects.

 

[Salty]

Waterboarding is recognized as illegal in most of the world, quote]

I couldn't care less what the rest of the world thinks is illegal.

 

[OldRegular]

Crabtownboy

The Supreme Court has no right to make law. They are to interpret law to see if it is Constitutional! It is illegal to deny persons "due process", unborn babies are denied "due process", therefore, their slaughter is illegal.

Some on this Forum are so concerned about "due process" for the terrorists, how about a little concern for "due process" for the unborn or just born children.

I understand also that sin is sin. Are you telling me that there is no difference in the sight of GOD between slaughtering innocent babies and pouring water on someones face?

 

[Crabtownboy]

Crabtownboy

The Supreme Court has no right to make law. They are to interpret law to see if it is Constitutional! It is illegal to deny persons "due process", unborn babies are denied "due process", therefore, their slaughter is illegal.

Your argument is with the Supreme Court and the federal government, not with me. Whether or not the SC had the right to rule is another topic and not germane to the topic as you state it. Until ruled otherwise or amended abortion is legal in the USA whether you, I or anyone elses likes or disliked it.

Some on this Forum are so concerned about "due process" for the terrorists, how about a little concern for "due process" for the unborn or just born children

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Cases have been heard, rulings have been handed down and that is the due process ... again whether you or I or anyone likes or dislikes it.

I understand also that sin is sin. Are you telling me that there is no difference in the sight of GOD between slaughtering innocent babies and pouring water on someones face?

I am simply saying that sin is sin is sin. I do not presume to know, nor am I arrogant enough to say God has to see anything my way, rule my way, handle any sin the way I'd like him to handle it.

I simply answered your question from the opening statement. I am not arguing for either position in this thread.

 

[OldRegular]

Posted by OldRegular
I understand also that sin is sin. Are you telling me that there is no difference in the sight of GOD between slaughtering innocent babies and pouring water on someones face?

Response by Crabtownboy
I am simply saying that sin is sin is sin. I do not presume to know, nor am I arrogant enough to say God has to see anything my way, rule my way, handle any sin the way I'd like him to handle it.

I simply answered your question from the opening statement. I am not arguing for either position in this thread.

On this Forum you are equating waterboarding with slaughtering unborn babies.

 

[Crabtownboy]

On this Forum you are equating waterboarding with slaughtering unborn babies.

I have not said that at all. You seem fixated on this. Like it or hate it one has been declared illegal and the other legal. That is not equating the two at all.

Frankly I am against both. But my opinion has nothing to do with what has been ruled legal or illegal. Any my opinion has no bearing on how God will handle anything.

Obama is supporting what has been declared legal, and is in favor of possibly charging people who have done that which, almost worldwide, has been declared illegal. That is the difference you asked about in the OP

 

[JustChristian]

Mr

obama has piously proclaimed that waterboarding is torture. In doing so he has deliberately and with malice aforethought opened the door for persecution and prosecution of Bush Administration officials and CIA agents who participated in the enhanced interrogation of terrorists at Gitmo. That interrogation prevented further terrorist attacks on Americans. and I believe that it was completely justified.

In contrast obama prior to becoming a US Senator voted in the Illinois Senate against a bill that would require medical treatment and save the lives of those babies born alive after a "botched" abortion. During the campaign he promised to sign the so-called Freedom of Choice Act which would remove all restrictions on abortion including Partial Birth Abortion.

Now obama does not consider it torture:

1. To dismember a baby while in the womb and remove the parts one piece at a time.

2. To inject a saline solution into the womb scalding the baby to death.

3. To turn a baby in the womb, extract it feet first until its head is exposed, puncture the neck below the skull, insert a catheter, and suction out the brain, allowing the skull to collapse and the delivery of a dead baby. This particular procedure was developed to ensure that late term abortions were successful. I believe the contribution of "killer diller".

I believe it is the utmost hypocrisy for obama and his leftists cohorts to whine about waterboarding and yet champion the above abortion procedures, or abortion by any other way the evil mind can conceive.

There are many on this Forum who champion obama. I would like them to address the hypocrisy of obama's stand on waterboarding and his stand on the slaughter of the unborn and just born.

I realize that some will use the cop out that abortion is legal but it is not. It is certainly not legal or moral in the sight of GOD and that is the criteria for Christians. It is not even legal for those who claim to champion the Constitution. It is simply the opinion of seven men, appropriately dressed in black, using obama's stated criteria for a Supreme Court Justice, who invented a supposed right to slaughter the unborn, 50,000,000 and counting.

I beleve that it's better to be right on one of two policies than it is to be wrong on both. I don't consider it to be hypocricy. Most on this board including me are against abortion. We have that in common. Given that, why not prefer that the president choose not to torture. In addition, he chose life by making it an objective to end the senseless war in Iraq his predessor started for no good reason. In summary, I'd rather have a president that's wrong on one issue rather than one who was wrong on all three. {Bush did almost nothing to stop abortion except talk a good game.)

 

[historyb]

obama has piously proclaimed that waterboarding is torture. In doing so he has deliberately and with malice aforethought opened the door for persecution and prosecution of Bush Administration officials and CIA agents who participated in the enhanced interrogation of terrorists at Gitmo. That interrogation prevented further terrorist attacks on Americans. and I believe that it was completely justified.

In contrast obama prior to becoming a US Senator voted in the Illinois Senate against a bill that would require medical treatment and save the lives of those babies born alive after a "botched" abortion. During the campaign he promised to sign the so-called Freedom of Choice Act which would remove all restrictions on abortion including Partial Birth Abortion.

Now obama does not consider it torture:

1. To dismember a baby while in the womb and remove the parts one piece at a time.

2. To inject a saline solution into the womb scalding the baby to death.

3. To turn a baby in the womb, extract it feet first until its head is exposed, puncture the neck below the skull, insert a catheter, and suction out the brain, allowing the skull to collapse and the delivery of a dead baby. This particular procedure was developed to ensure that late term abortions were successful. I believe the contribution of "killer diller".

I believe it is the utmost hypocrisy for obama and his leftists cohorts to whine about waterboarding and yet champion the above abortion procedures, or abortion by any other way the evil mind can conceive.

There are many on this Forum who champion obama. I would like them to address the hypocrisy of obama's stand on waterboarding and his stand on the slaughter of the unborn and just born.

I realize that some will use the cop out that abortion is legal but it is not. It is certainly not legal or moral in the sight of GOD and that is the criteria for Christians. It is not even legal for those who claim to champion the Constitution. It is simply the opinion of seven men, appropriately dressed in black, using obama's stated criteria for a Supreme Court Justice, who invented a supposed right to slaughter the unborn, 50,000,000 and counting.

Again a great post. Those who support BO turn a blind eye to God

 

[OldRegular]

Again a great post. Those who support BO turn a blind eye to God

As JC indicated in the previous post.

 

[JustChristian]

As JC indicated in the previous post.

i DON'T UNDERSTAND YOUR LACK OF LOGIC.

 

[LeBuick]

While abortion is not legal or moral in the sight of God, neither is torture.

Obama should be taken to task for his hypocrisy.

So should every Christian that believes torture is ok, since they are walking more like Obama than Christ.

peace to youraying:

Very good post... I believe Paul said it best when he said to be in the world but don't become like the world or you are no better than those who are the world. I still believe it takes more courage and strength to love your enemies than it does to do the natural reaction and hate them. Likewise it is a greater man who can do good to those who oppose him. I really believe Jesus got that one right.