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Obama's America Serves
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JustChristian
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Aaron said:
Calling Obama a Nazi is not helpful in trying to bring America back together again.
BaptistBeliever said:
What did you do under the Bush admin to bring America together?
By the way, one of the reasons I don't stay on threads any more is that I spend a large portion of my time daily doing volunteer work. And no one forces me to do it and by volunteer I mean "not paid", I don't mean some government praise-me program that pays the "volunteer", and I will continue these voluntary activities no matter who is president.
TinyTim, you really disappoint me with that reply of yours. You don't see the difference between government compulsion and the benevolent acts of free men?
TinyTim, you really disappoint me with that reply of yours. You don't see the difference between government compulsion and the benevolent acts of free men?
J.D. said:
Good for you JD! I wish more people had your spirit of volunteering. Good people are greatly needed in many places. Keep up the good work.
rbell said:
The largest Baptist church in the town where I live has run an ESOL program for years. No federal money involved, no state money involved. It is part of the church budget and run by Christian volunteers who receive no pay. They would not take state or federal tax money if it was offered. You are right, we have to keep a wall of separation between the church and state.
windcatcher
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The constitution protects against servatude under the 13 ammendment.
As for 'volunteer' in any government program? Watch it! Social security was supposed to be a 'voluntary program'..... and, from what I understand from some, it still is......provided you file income tax and demand a refund of it...... and have all your legal ducks in order to dispute when request is denied.
Many programs which were started when agriculture was more common, were started as 'voluntary' and some minor incentives were offered until enough people bought into the reporting and census, etc..... and found themselves under compulsory regulations.
While we may dispute whether kids are getting enough 'volunteerixm' ........ making it compulsory will not make people more dedicated to giving it their best, but it may create a new tier of government snivel servants who 'supervise' the 'volunteers'.
I'm thankful that as a child, I 'volunteered' to go to the fields and pick the tomatoes and butter beans, peas, okra, squash, cucumbers, and corn and help load the watermelons. It put food on our table and kept clothes on our backs....and there was no allowance or pay connected with working in the family.
At Waffle House, recently, I talked briefly with the young man who is cooking in the evenings: He's going to high school and working a 30-36 hour week. If school is as tough as it seemed to me when I was growing up, I don't see how he does it!
Many colleges require a resume from students before admitting them to graduate courses.... from which they are considered based on points for extracuricular activities to include volunteer activities. Considering that tuition costs have risen disproportionately to salaries..... many are already having to divide their accademic time between college and work because grants and loans don't cover all their expenses. I don't know how it is today..... but when I went to college, I was told to consider it takes 3 hours of study time for every semester hour per week of class time in budgeting and time management. I took 16-18 hours per week. That is 48 hours of study time plus 16 hours of class.
Kids are selfish for different reasons..... but many times they already have demands on their time if they are going to school: What they may need more of but don't get is less t.v., computer time, and video games, and more personal interaction with peers and adults guided by parental supervision. Before we blame the "me' generation....it is time we face our own responsibility as parents or adults with neices and nephews or grandchildren.
As for 'volunteer' in any government program? Watch it! Social security was supposed to be a 'voluntary program'..... and, from what I understand from some, it still is......provided you file income tax and demand a refund of it...... and have all your legal ducks in order to dispute when request is denied.
Many programs which were started when agriculture was more common, were started as 'voluntary' and some minor incentives were offered until enough people bought into the reporting and census, etc..... and found themselves under compulsory regulations.
While we may dispute whether kids are getting enough 'volunteerixm' ........ making it compulsory will not make people more dedicated to giving it their best, but it may create a new tier of government snivel servants who 'supervise' the 'volunteers'.
I'm thankful that as a child, I 'volunteered' to go to the fields and pick the tomatoes and butter beans, peas, okra, squash, cucumbers, and corn and help load the watermelons. It put food on our table and kept clothes on our backs....and there was no allowance or pay connected with working in the family.
At Waffle House, recently, I talked briefly with the young man who is cooking in the evenings: He's going to high school and working a 30-36 hour week. If school is as tough as it seemed to me when I was growing up, I don't see how he does it!
Many colleges require a resume from students before admitting them to graduate courses.... from which they are considered based on points for extracuricular activities to include volunteer activities. Considering that tuition costs have risen disproportionately to salaries..... many are already having to divide their accademic time between college and work because grants and loans don't cover all their expenses. I don't know how it is today..... but when I went to college, I was told to consider it takes 3 hours of study time for every semester hour per week of class time in budgeting and time management. I took 16-18 hours per week. That is 48 hours of study time plus 16 hours of class.
Kids are selfish for different reasons..... but many times they already have demands on their time if they are going to school: What they may need more of but don't get is less t.v., computer time, and video games, and more personal interaction with peers and adults guided by parental supervision. Before we blame the "me' generation....it is time we face our own responsibility as parents or adults with neices and nephews or grandchildren.
mcdirector
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I would venture to say that many of us on the BB do quite a few hours of real volunteer work and understand it's value and meaning. And in turn, we work with volunteers.
In the staff development we are currently in - part of what is coming out though is that today's kids aren't in homes experienced in volunteer work.
In the staff development we are currently in - part of what is coming out though is that today's kids aren't in homes experienced in volunteer work.
I'm not interested in bringing "America back together again" under a socialist banner. There is no unity there.BaptistBeliever said:
But I want to commend the kind of man you are. That you can look the other way as millions of innocents are slaughtered, as Sodomy is legitimized, as liberty is swallowed up and as men are denied the fruits of their honest labor for the sake of "unity" speaks volumes concerning your character and your love for God.
I'm in awe.
Really.
Revmitchell said:
How did the word "encourage" become forced or mandating?
The OP said he would encourage voluntarism. His theory is community involvement would make less need for government and would take us back to the biblical principal of being our brothers keeper. One program he mentioned was giving college tuition help to volunteering college and high school students. My Mother, as a Senior, volunteers at a senior a coupe of days a week and finds great personal reward and self worth for doing so. We also have seniors that volunteer to help serve lunch at the public schools which means less government paid staff.
LeBuick said:
Exactly.. .We conservatives want smaller government.. that means more Community Services are needed... So when Obama throws out something that helps the conservative cause, we should support it...
Hey, I don't like Obama's stances... I didn't vote for him... I consider him a very evil man... But everyonce in a while he will have a good idea... and this is one of them...
As the church, let's show em how community services should be done...
In the church, it is called community MINISTRY...
Instead of crying because we lost the election... lets go out and show em how to do it right...
tinytim said:
Obama's original words used:
"by developing a plan to require 50 hours of community service in middle school and high school and 100 hours of community service in college every year."
And since he is not trustworthy we will have to see how he requires this service. One thing is for sure my children will not participate in any forced service.
Screen shots of the original posting by Obama can be found here
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Revmitchell said:
Obama is certainly more trustworthy than some I might mention. What evidence do you have that he is not trustworthy .... other than your own biased opinion?
tinytim said:
I hope the Church can show him how it's done. If you recall "turn out the light" campaigns back during the energy crises, I hope he can build this same eagerness to volunteer. Help those fallen on the side of the road instead of walking by because you have more important things to do.
LeBuick said:
Of course you don't. But the change is widely known except in the dialogue of obama water carriers.
http://www.worldnetdaily.com/index.php?fa=PAGE.view&pageId=80539
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