Obama's Harmony With Homosexuals

[rbell]

Millions of folks worldwide have HIV and/or AIDS. It's not my place to determine why each & every one got the disease. No doubt...some got it due to sinful choices. Some are innocent victims. Some will say they got it in one manner, but they got it in another. It's not important at that point.

All that matters for me is that I'm supposed to minister to them. I'm not supposed to compromise the truth...but at the same time, we are all sinners, and we all have had consequences of sin befall us. My job is to minister to them, share the gospel with them, and show them the love of Christ...no matter if they're disease-free, or eaten up with AIDS.

I have a dear friend who is HIV positive. He accepted Christ several years ago, because someone befriended him, didn't treat him like a leper, and told him about Jesus.

When we dwell too much on why people get this disease (to the exclusion of what are job is now)...we've missed the point; much like the disciples did when they asked Jesus, "did this man sin, or his parents (to cause his illness)." (sorry...paraphrase mine)

 

[Revmitchell]

When we dwell too much on why people get this disease (to the exclusion of what are job is now)...we've missed the point; much like the disciples did when they asked Jesus, "did this man sin, or his parents (to cause his illness)." (sorry...paraphrase mine)

Incorrect. When we determine the activity that causes the furtherance of any illness then we address the cause. Just because it has gone beyond it origination does not change the cause. Aids is a result of a specific activity. If that activity was brought to an end the disease stops. The source is removed. Simply ignoring the cause or acting as if there is none so as not to place sinful behavior in a bad light is not helpful and is certainly unkind.

 

[rbell]

Incorrect. When we determine the activity that causes the furtherance of any illness then we address the cause. Just because it has gone beyond it origination does not change the cause. Aids is a result of a specific activity. If that activity was brought to an end the disease stops. The source is removed. Simply ignoring the cause or acting as if there is none so as not to place sinful behavior in a bad light is not helpful and is certainly unkind.

As we go and tell, our job is not to be detectives. Our job is to be salt and light.

Discussing this on a philosophical level...OK, I can see how this enters into the discussion. If we want to discuss AIDS/HIV on a global scale, the big picture...fine. But as we deal with persons on a case-by-case basis...our job is to share Christ and His love...so that they might come to know Him: turning to Christ and from sins. Our job is not to determine the cause of each malady that befalls them.

 

[BigBossman]

I'd be careful about blaming God for something so evil.

I wasn't blaming God. I was simply saying that God's wrath comes in many forms. Ultimately, we have to blame ourselves for our mistakes & shortcomings. Everything we do will have consequences. If I were to commit murder, I could repent of that sin, but still have to reap what I have sown.

 

[Revmitchell]

As we go and tell, our job is not to be detectives. Our job is to be salt and light.

Discussing this on a philosophical level...OK, I can see how this enters into the discussion. If we want to discuss AIDS/HIV on a global scale, the big picture...fine. But as we deal with persons on a case-by-case basis...our job is to share Christ and His love...so that they might come to know Him: turning to Christ and from sins. Our job is not to determine the cause of each malady that befalls them.

This is a discussion board and this thread is about homosexuality. The details are going to come up. There is no point in assigning motives during evangelism to homosexuals or anyone else for that matter based on these discussions.

 

[rbell]

fair enough.

 

[Revmitchell]

fair enough.

God Bless :thumbs:

 

[LadyEagle]

Really? Currently 53% of all those infected with aids are a result of homosexual male to male contact. The 47% is spread out among all other forms of transmission according to the CDC. The very first cases of aids was found in homosexual men in 1980.

Yep, it was in Parade Magazine (Sunday paper). I kept the article for years, don't know if I still have it. The man was an airline steward, if I recall. (Now they call them flight attendants, but back then it was steward and stewardesses.)

 

[Magnetic Poles]

The very first cases of aids was found in homosexual men in 1980.

Wrong yet again. Try a Congolese woman in 1960. CLICK HERE to learn about this pre-epidemic case. There were others in subsequent years.

Yet another Mitch moment of misinformation up in smoke.

 

[Dragoon68]

I'd be careful about blaming God for something so evil.

Nothing happens except by the will of God. He is not the author of sin but He does permit sin to have its way for a time and He does exercise His wrath as it pleases Him.

I'd be more careful about lending support to sinfulness by not standing against it most especially when it is so open and blatant that a person could in no way not deem it offensive to God.

 

[KenH]

Wrong yet again. Try a Congolese woman in 1960. CLICK HERE to learn about this pre-epidemic case. There were others in subsequent years.

There you go giving right-wingers the facts, MP. Way to go, brother! :thumbs:

 

[Magnetic Poles]

There you go giving right-wingers the facts, MP. Way to go, brother! :thumbs:

People are entitled to their own opinions. They are NOT entitled to their own facts. :laugh:

 

[Dragoon68]

Wrong yet again. Try a Congolese woman in 1960. CLICK HERE to learn about this pre-epidemic case. There were others in subsequent years.

Yet another Mitch moment of misinformation up in smoke.

There you go giving right-wingers the facts, MP. Way to go, brother! :thumbs:

People are entitled to their own opinions. They are NOT entitled to their own facts.

Not so fast there my dear brothers in Christ!

Your quoted article address pre-epidemic incidents of AIDS. However, the nominal start of the AIDS epidemic in the USA was around 1980 and it was among homosexual men.

Consider these facts: Origin of HIV and The First Cases of AIDS

AIDS is a likely consequence of promiscuous homosexual conduct among homosexuals.

There's no doubt the disease has effected many heterosexual people as well. It is a disease we should seek to eradicate not for the sake of homosexuality but for the sake of humanity.

 

[Magnetic Poles]

Not so fast there my dear brothers in Christ!

Your quoted article address pre-epidemic incidents of AIDS. However, the nominal start of the AIDS epidemic in the USA was around 1980 and it was among homosexual men.

Consider these facts: Origin of HIV and The First Cases of AIDS

AIDS is a likely consequence of promiscuous homosexual conduct among homosexuals.

There's no doubt the disease has effected many heterosexual people as well. It is a disease we should seek to eradicate not for the sake of homosexuality but for the sake of humanity.

You are right, the first US cases were gay men, but that is not what Mitch said. Takes the wind out of his case of AIDS being God's smiting homosexuals. And there is a lot of the world that is not the United States.

 

[KenH]

And there is a lot of the world that is not the United States.

Yes, and a lot of right-wingers need to learn that.

 

[Revmitchell]

Takes the wind out of his case of AIDS being God's smiting homosexuals.

You really need to quit attributing those words to me. You have lied. I never made any such statement. So your whole argument fails to be credible.

 

[hillclimber1]

I don't think the origin of HIV virus matters as much as it's function as a facilitator of death among homo's. Sin carries consequences, and one price is that many innocents are harmed by the sin of homosexuality... And many more are sure to feel it's claws.

 

[Magnetic Poles]

You really need to quit attributing those words to me. You have lied. I never made any such statement. So your whole argument fails to be credible.

Nope, the argument stands. I will admit I mistakenly attributed Bossman's words to you when I wrote that, so my apologies. But you are guilty of falsely saying I am lying. Lying involves intent to deceive, which is NOT my intent. It is an error on my part, for which I offer my apology. Do I likewise receive yours for accusing me of lying? I notice this a whole lot on this board...people accused of lying, from politicians to board members. WIthout knowing the intent, it is impossible to honestly say one has lied.

 

[Magnetic Poles]

I don't think the origin of HIV virus matters as much as it's function as a facilitator of death among homo's. Sin carries consequences, and one price is that many innocents are harmed by the sin of homosexuality... And many more are sure to feel it's claws.

It is also a facilitator of death among straights, children, innocent spouses, people who have had blood tranfusions, and more. It is projection of one's hatred of a group to do what you do here.

 

[hillclimber1]

It is also a facilitator of death among straights, children, innocent spouses, people who have had blood tranfusions, and more. It is projection of one's hatred of a group to do what you do here.

Gee MP, I was with you up to here:
It is projection of one's hatred of a group to do what you do here.

Not worth arguing with you over this, but I hate no one....

Do you not see anything significant in the correlation between the sin of homosexuality and AID's?