Ocean in Northern Kentucky??

[JerryL]

I am working in southern Ohio on the Kentucky border. Actually my RV is parked in Kentucky and working in Aberdeen, Ohio, about 60 miles south of Cincinnati. My question is about some rocks that were taken out of a road cut-through in Kentucky in the same area by a buddy of mine to make his fireplace out of. All of this heavy as lead rock has seashells and the fossils of auquatic animals embedded in it. If we hold to the 6000 some odd young Earth, how do we explain this occurence of an ocean type body of water on top of a hill in Kentucky. I'm not sure I hold to "that" young of an Earth, but wouldn't an oceananic(sp?) type body of water have to make this Earth a lot older than we think? The fossils and shells are there, I have saw them with my own eyes. A biologist at the site said that there was in fact an ocean covering Kentucky "millions" of years ago. I don't know about that, but if it was a little as 6000 years ago it was covered, wouldn't the evidence be a lot more noticable in Kentucky? The evidence is not wide spread until large sections of Earth are uncovered.

 

[av1611jim]

I am working in southern Ohio on the Kentucky border. Actually my RV is parked in Kentucky and working in Aberdeen, Ohio, about 60 miles south of Cincinnati. My question is about some rocks that were taken out of a road cut-through in Kentucky in the same area by a buddy of mine to make his fireplace out of. All of this heavy as lead rock has seashells and the fossils of auquatic animals embedded in it. If we hold to the 6000 some odd young Earth, how do we explain this occurence of an ocean type body of water on top of a hill in Kentucky. I'm not sure I hold to "that" young of an Earth, but wouldn't an oceananic(sp?) type body of water have to make this Earth a lot older than we think?

Absolutely not. You see...I have a theory about this. About 4000 years ago there was a FLOOD! This flood covered the entire earth and with such tremendous water activity it is not improbable that all sorts of things were swept hither and yon. Hence you find sea shells on top of mountains and other such like things which natural science is at a loss to explain.

When all else fails....trust your Bible.

Duh.

 

[Dale-c]

Do you happen to remember a worldwide flood in the book of genesis?
That explains it quite nicely.

 

[Dale-c]

Jim, you beat me to it !

 

[JerryL]

Do you happen to remember a worldwide flood in the book of genesis?
That explains it quite nicely.

Yes, I took into account the flood. The rock wasn't on top of the mountain, it was underneath it. Hundreds of feet down. I'm not doubting the flood or the Bible, just wondering if hundreds of feet of dirt and rock could pile up over just 4000 years.

 

[av1611jim]

Yes, I took into account the flood. The rock wasn't on top of the mountain, it was underneath it. Hundreds of feet down. I'm not doubting the flood or the Bible, just wondering if hundreds of feet of dirt and rock could pile up over just 4000 years.

Have you ever seen what massive amounts of water does to rocks and dirt? Try checking out the Mount St. Helen's website! And THAT happened in less than a day! Or you could go a little further back in time and look up the failure of the Teton Dam in Idaho. Many tons of earth were displaced in mere minutes!

C'mon bro. Think!

I even remeber my 6th grade science classes about erosion and how the elements displace dirt very quickly. Removing it from here<<<<<<< and putting it over there>>>>>>> in a HURRY!

It does not take God very long to change things around.

 

[ktn4eg]

Another factor to consider might be the fact that, as Genesis 7:11 states, "the same day were all the fountains of the great deep broken up."

IOW, you not only had a huge downpour from above, but you also had a world-wide catastrophic upheaval from beneath. One can only speculate what the total combined effects of such devastation may have been.

We must also keep in mind that the total amount of time from the day that Noah and his family entered the ark until the day they left it was well over a year.

Bottom line: As the Apostle Peter tells us in 2 Peter 3:6,
"...the world that then was...perished"!

 

[npetreley]

If it doesn't stop raining soon there's going to be a new ocean in Texas.

 

[donnA]

I've seen those same rocks, facinating. You harve to consider the flood as a cause.

 

[Lacy Evans]

Have you ever seen what massive amounts of water does to rocks and dirt? Try checking out the Mount St. Helen's website! And THAT happened in less than a day! Or you could go a little further back in time and look up the failure of the Teton Dam in Idaho. Many tons of earth were displaced in mere minutes!

C'mon bro. Think!

I even remeber my 6th grade science classes about erosion and how the elements displace dirt very quickly. Removing it from here<<<<<<< and putting it over there>>>>>>> in a HURRY!

It does not take God very long to change things around.

I think we completely under-estimate the incredible scope of a worldwide flood and the absolute destructive power of such an event.

Jerry, I'd like to address another part of your question. 4000 years is an incredibly long time. We have been conditioned to think in "geological terms." (Like saying it took a kazillion years for the Grand Canyon to be carved out, or for a stalagtite to grow in Carlesbad Caverns.)

Things can happen quickly. The Grand Canyon could have been cut in a few hours if there was enough water. Mountains can be overturned very quickly.

I saw the results of only about several hundred years of jungle growth in Mexico's Mayan ruins. The giant, solid stone monuments were virtually turned to dust and rendered almost unrecognizable by an observably slow moving jungle. What probably happened when it rained really hard in a period of a few years? The landscape has changed in 4000 years you can be sure.

Lacy

 

[Lacy Evans]

If it doesn't stop raining soon there's going to be a new ocean in Texas.

Were about ready to start on an arky-arky!

 

[Brother Bob]

Absolutely not. You see...I have a theory about this. About 4000 years ago there was a FLOOD! This flood covered the entire earth and with such tremendous water activity it is not improbable that all sorts of things were swept hither and yon. Hence you find sea shells on top of mountains and other such like things which natural science is at a loss to explain.

When all else fails....trust your Bible.

Duh.

Besides that, there were earthquakes such as never been, when Jesus said I shook the earth one time (not part of it) and I will shake it again. We have mountains close to us in Virginia, which you can tell have split and are laying back so the natural form of a mountain being horizonal are laying back on a angle. Some places there are huge bolders laying on top of the mountains, which are very high here in Kentucky, and these bolders are all alone, just laying on the highest peak with no other rocks around.

Yes, I took into account the flood. The rock wasn't on top of the mountain, it was underneath it. Hundreds of feet down. I'm not doubting the flood or the Bible, just wondering if hundreds of feet of dirt and rock could pile up over just 4000 years.

I think these mountains laying back suggest they could of completely rolled over, which would explain being hundreds of feet down.

 

[donnA]

While we're in drought and the vegetable crops at farmers market are flimsy and don't look good. But I guess on the other hand a lot of rain makes the same results.

 

[av1611jim]

Besides that, there were earthquakes such as never been, when Jesus said I shook the earth one time (not part of it) and I will shake it again. We have mountains close to us in Virginia, which you can tell have split and are laying back so the natural form of a mountain being horizonal are laying back on a angle. Some places there are huge bolders laying on top of the mountains, which are very high here in Kentucky, and these bolders are all alone, just laying on the highest peak with no other rocks around.


I think these mountains laying back suggest they could of completely rolled over, which would explain being hundreds of feet down.

Side note.

You want high mountains? Come out west and visit the Grand Tetons. And while here you also can visit Yellowstone. Both of these great places will surely give you a new perspective on what God can do with nature. Just ignore the evolutionary slant which the various visitors centers will tell you. The main peak "Grand Teton" itself is well over 13,000 ft above sea level. And they are jutting into the sky completely bare of vegetation. ummmmmm....ya think a FLOOD coulda washed 'em clean of veggies?

 

[npetreley]

Besides that, there were earthquakes such as never been

I have a friend who is a geologist. He is of the opinion (and I agree) that what caused the flood is what also caused the continents to separate. I can't even begin to imagine the massive earthquakes and devastation involved in moving continents apart like that. Surely that would create huge mountains and leave things in disarray, with layers dumped upon layers.

 

[Helen]

OK, here goes...

The land on top of those seashells and such was NOT caused by the Flood, but by the separation of the continents in Peleg's time. This split occurred down the middle of the Atlantic primarily and in shoving the two hemispheres apart, also caused the enormous young mountain chains along the Pacific rim and the Pacific ring of fire. The tsunamis this movement caused moved immense amounts of earth and other materials.

The shells themselves were fossilized after Noah's flood, as the Flood strata is far below them:

http://www.setterfield.org/snowballearth.htm

Yes the earth is very young, but no, the Deluge did not cause all the strata we see today. If it did, how on earth can anyone explain the fact that in Europe we have enormous coal seams covered by an in situ fossilized sponge reef which stretches across about a third of the continent, and on top of which are multiple layers of dinosaur nests? The one flood did everything model is strongly refuted by the geological evidence as well as the Biblical mention of Peleg's time. To see what went on when the continents were separating, look for the catastrophes mentioned in the book of Job. Job was Jobab, Peleg's nephew, the thirteenth son of Joktan, Genesis 10. He mentions, by the way, that a watch was kept on the sea. Why? Because of the giant tsunamis which went on for several hundred years. Because the waves pull far back before one comes in, keeping watch was the only way they could get to safety in time. You will find quite a few references to things they experienced during that time if you read the book looking for them.

 

[EdSutton]

If it doesn't stop raining soon there's going to be a new ocean in Texas.

Pleas send us in KY a couple of inches of your rain. I believe it would help both places. We are 'bone dry' here, the driest on record for a calender year, so far, with the driest part of the year still ahead.

Ed

 

[Brother Bob]

Besides that my cucumbers and tomatos are not doing too good at all..

 

[tinytim]

OK, here goes...

The land on top of those seashells and such was NOT caused by the Flood, but by the separation of the continents in Peleg's time. This split occurred down the middle of the Atlantic primarily and in shoving the two hemispheres apart, also caused the enormous young mountain chains along the Pacific rim and the Pacific ring of fire. The tsunamis this movement caused moved immense amounts of earth and other materials.

The shells themselves were fossilized after Noah's flood, as the Flood strata is far below them:

http://www.setterfield.org/snowballearth.htm

Yes the earth is very young, but no, the Deluge did not cause all the strata we see today. If it did, how on earth can anyone explain the fact that in Europe we have enormous coal seams covered by an in situ fossilized sponge reef which stretches across about a third of the continent, and on top of which are multiple layers of dinosaur nests? The one flood did everything model is strongly refuted by the geological evidence as well as the Biblical mention of Peleg's time. To see what went on when the continents were separating, look for the catastrophes mentioned in the book of Job. Job was Jobab, Peleg's nephew, the thirteenth son of Joktan, Genesis 10. He mentions, by the way, that a watch was kept on the sea. Why? Because of the giant tsunamis which went on for several hundred years. Because the waves pull far back before one comes in, keeping watch was the only way they could get to safety in time. You will find quite a few references to things they experienced during that time if you read the book looking for them.

You beat me to it!
Around here in the Eastern Panhandle of WV, Corridor H is going through, and they are finding the same thing...
I have actually found sea shells while digging in our back yard...

The mountains here look different from the rest of the mountains in WV...
I think Helen is right.

 

[npetreley]

I understand you can find shells/fossils of sea creatures in the Rocky Mountains, too.