Off with the beard!

He and I were taking about my household, not my church. He said it is a sin to have one in our household.....So now who only play it outside. :tongue3:

 

In my youthful days, playing cards were called the Devil's deck. In the 1940's when the telly first hit the homes, the PB's called it an instrument of the devil. Then, they realized, in a global earth, the only way every eye could see Him would be on a telly..........Did they every buy telly's then.

Cheers,

Jim

 

Matt 23:1-4

1 Then Jesus spoke to the crowds and to His disciples,

2 saying: "The scribes and the Pharisees have seated themselves in the chair of Moses;

3 therefore all that they tell you, do and observe, but do not do according to their deeds; for they say things and do not do them.

4 "They tie up heavy burdens and lay them on men's shoulders, but they themselves are unwilling to move them with so much as a finger.


It always bothered me growing up to see supposed men of God creating their own rules as they went. This is nothing new according to Scripture. Real Sin has enough burden on its own without adding to it just as the scribes and Pharisees did.

 

I'm not saying certain beards are sinful, but have you noticed that most artists' depictions of Satan show him with with the same goatee as some of our modern young preachers and youth ministers?

Just joking.

 

While I disagree with this statement, it is interesting that the television has done more to dissolve family relationships and intelligent thinking than anything in history (perhaps until the internet). Television hasn't created more godly families and churches.

 

Exactly right, just another legalistic, ridiculous rule with no Biblical foundation amongst many that some Baptists have embraced for centuries as sacred.
May I have this dance?

 

Baloney, I watch the History Channel and TV land a few times a week. Let me check, yep, my wife of 32 years is still here. Wait a minute, yes, all my kids and their families are still here. It is not the purpose of TV to create churches. Intelligent or unintelligent material can be found on books, TV, or the internet. It has nothing to do with a spiritual life, a Godly walk, or holding your family together.

I bet if you think hard enough, you can come up with ten new unBiblical, ridiculous rules for Baptists to observe.

 

I don't believe Baptists make it a rule that has to be followed. It is a choice and has to do with separation. Before I moved, I went to a church that was somewhat separated, definitely fundamentalist. The pastor taught that beards were worn by neo-evangelicals and charismatics. I moved and went to a more separated "legalistic" church. Beards were accepted as normal, as long as they were neat in appearance. Young boys just starting with facial hair had to keep shaven in school and visitation. It most likely is a local thing, associating with other churches in the area was the appearance to be avoided.

 

After shaving under the most horrible conditions for three years of war, I determined, once I got out of the army there would be no shaving..I have had a beard since 1958. It started the day of my discharge.

Nothing to do with culture, whether anyone liked it or not, and certainly there is nothing in scripture for or against.

Cheers,

Jim

 

Maybe the Salvation Army!:laugh:

Cheers,

Jim

 

Pastor Larry, you typed out a paragraph about worldliness earlier in this thread and I thought it was excellent. However, this quote:

I question. Yes, there are non-religious organizations that forbid beards for practical reasons. You cannot have one if you work for Dominoe's pizza, for instance, because customers do not want hair in their pizza and it is a health issue. However, fundamentalists, after World War II, have been all but universal in their condemnation of beards as sinful. They have relented on this view only in the last 10 years, in my experience. What fundamentalist group has allowed beards prior to the last 10 years? What fundamentalist school, college, university, or seminary, has allowed beards prior to the last 10 years? What fundamentalist pastor or nationally known leader has worn a beard prior to the last 10 years?

 

I don't know the answer to your questions (though many men in fundamentalist congregations had beards), but my point was different. My point was not that all fundamentalists believed that wearing beard was sinful, and fundamentalists weren't the only ones who forbade wearing facial hair. Furthermore it had nothing to do with the fundamentals (whether believing them or fighting for them, both of which are necessary). Therefore, whatever the reason, it wasn't a "fundamentalist thing" as was earlier charged.

 

In defence of the "fundamentalist"; I have had a beard since 1958 (more than 10 years ago) and attended two fundamentalist schools, with my beard, pastored fundamentalist Baptist Churches in full beard. Some churches did frown on a beard in the pastorate, but not sinful. It was more that they couldn't see my purple tie (humour ) underneath it.

When I started ministry with the Fellowship of Evangelical Baptist Churches in Canada, we were leading the battle against modernism and deemed to be fundamentalists..I had a beard.

Cheers,

Jim

PS, I am NOT defending modern fundamentalists.

 

Consistent fundamentalists have never forbidden beards.
Consistent fundamentalists are never legalistic at all.

The bad reputation of the term fundamentalist comes from those who proudly claim the term while associating that term with pharisee type legalism such as this.

Often times though, there are legitimate reasons for avoiding something. Take the fundamentalist stand against the theater or alcohol. In both cases there were (and are) legitimate concerns.
But often the tendency is to throw the baby out with the bath water.


I have noticed now with KJV onlyism that what started as a stand against liberal translations has led to a quasi KJV only stance that still allowed for new conservative versions only to lead to the modern radical KJVO position.

 

Oh, and by the way, I have only partial facial hair

 

Nose hair and ear hair don't count.

 

I have a friend that back in the late 1980`s that attended Church with his now ex-wife.She was a full-blown United Pentecostal that was not allowed to wear make-up or pants to Church nor was she allowed to cut her hair.She now serves satan as a wiccan.

After a few services he finally walked to the altar and accepted Christ with water baptism in Jesus name only.The Pastor told him that he would have to shave off his beard and get a hair cut or God would not let him in heaven and he would go to hell if he died in the condition of wearing a beard and long hair.

My friend has not attended Church since.

I myself wear a beard at times.The long hair on a man to me is an eye sore.I see some men singing gospel music on TV and when the camera shows the back of their heads you would think its a woman with a mans voice until the camera gets around to the front.Little children say daddy that woman has a beard and a mans voice.


Also its been said that the pictures of Jesus we see with the long hair came from the Roman Catholic Church?

1st Cor 11:14

God bless in Jesus.

Steven.

 

Ow. That's gonna leave a mark.

 

I wonder how much of that happened when the state liquor store went away and alcohol began to be sold in the grocery stores so that TV and alcohol could go together.