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Officer kills 17 year old:'How in the world could this happen?' Guilford family speaks out

Zaac

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'How in the world could this happen?' Guilford family speaks out

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MULLIKEN - Brian Guilford's fondest memory of his son Deven is the very last one he has.

On the morning of Feb. 28, the 17-year-old was in bed, still asleep. Brian's grandson had a basketball game that day, and Deven, who often went to watch, had planned to go.

It was time to get up. Deven wasn’t a morning person but Brian had experience cajoling him awake. He teased and prodded, pulled the covers off Deven and joked until he saw a smile.

“We ended it laughing, and I walked out of his room," Brian said.

They would never speak again.

Deven died on the side of M-43 in Roxand Township that night, about 8:25 p.m., on his way to his girlfriend’s house after a basketball game at his church in Grand Ledge. He was stopped for flashing his high beams at Eaton County Sheriff's Sgt. Jonathan Frost. Less than six minutes later, Deven, who was unarmed, was dead, shot seven times by Frost.

In the eight months since, Deven's death has become the subject of fierce debate across the region.
In June Eaton County Prosecutor Doug Lloyd cleared Frost of any criminal wrongdoing, saying his actions were lawful.

And a week ago his family filed a federal civil lawsuit against Eaton County and Frost. It alleges that Frost's "entire course of action was illegal and in violation of Deven's constitutional rights."

The Guilford family consented to an interview with the Lansing State Journal earlier this week, with the understanding they would not discuss the evening of the incident.
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'A kind kid'

With the exception of the last few tragic seconds, during which prosecutors said Deven attacked Frost and Frost shot and killed him, most of the exchange between Deven and Frost on the night of his death was captured on video — from Frost's body camera and from Deven's cell phone, which the teen used to record the encounter.

It's the only impression most people have of the Mulliken teen.

Ten months ago, Brian said, he may have m
ade some of the same assumptions that some people have made about his son.
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Deven Guilford with his niece and nephews. (Photo: Courtesy photo)

"They think any kid that gets shot like that is a mouthy, bratty kid who had no regard for authority, and I’m telling you that isn’t who he was," Brian said.

The Guilfords said Deven was the most vibrant personality in the family, a bright, active and kind teenager — the last person they ever imagined would die in a police shooting.

Deven had no criminal record. Before the fatal traffic stop, he'd never had contact with law enforcement, they said.

“I’ve always envisioned a child, anyone who's shot by a cop, their life just on a downward spiral, you know, and then the cops are the end of it,” Brian said. “Deven’s life was the other way."

Brian and Becky Guilford have an established life in the community. They grew up in Grand Ledge and Mulliken. They run their own construction business out of their home and have attended Liberty Church in Grand Ledge for nearly two decades as a family.

Deven was the youngest of three boys. His older brothers, Aaron, 29, and Ryan, 35, remember just as clearly as their parents the day he joined the family.

The couple had wanted another child, but endured several miscarriages before deciding to become foster parents hoping for an adoption.

The day 18-month-old Deven arrived at their house, “the lady pulled in the driveway, and he hit the ground,” Becky said. “He never looked back. He was ours.”

http://www.lansingstatejournal.com/story/news/local/2015/10/21/guilford-family/74208802/

Another person killed by a police officer over what started with a traffic violation. I just watched the video from the officer's camera and the young man's camera.

He tasered the young man. And then shot him SEVEN times. And for WHAT? And just like clockwork, the prosecutor says it was a justified killing.:(
 

matt wade

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Argued with officer...check.
Didn't follow directions...check.
Didn't stay on the ground as requested....check.
Physically assaulted officer...check.
Shot and killed....check.

Sounds good like the right outcome for the situation.
 

Zaac

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Argued with officer...check.
Didn't follow directions...check.
Didn't stay on the ground as requested....check.
Physically assaulted officer...check.
Shot and killed....check.

Sounds good like the right outcome for the situation.

Anyone who thinks a child deserved to be shot seven times has some issues.
 

matt wade

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Anyone who thinks a child deserved to be shot seven times has some issues.

Child? You mean a 17 year old that physically attacked a police officer? To the point the officer thought he may lose consciousness and then lose control of his weapon?

There's probably lots of 17 year old "children" in that part of Atlanta that you won't go to. Many of those 17 year old "children" are probably part of the reason you won't go to that part of the city.
 

InTheLight

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This is yet another example of excessive force being used. Like the story about the kid that got shot because he was threatening a cop with a skateboard and the story about the guy with a brick that got shot by his pastor, there is no reason to shoot a 17 year old kid because he is running away after being tasered.

This is insanity. Ann and Matt, you are telling me a trained police officer cannot subdue a 17 year old kid that lying face down on the ground? For heavens sake drop a knee into his back and hand cuff him. This is sickening.
 

matt wade

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This is yet another example of excessive force being used. Like the story about the kid that got shot because he was threatening a cop with a skateboard and the story about the guy with a brick that got shot by his pastor, there is no reason to shoot a 17 year old kid because he is running away after being tasered.

This is insanity. Ann and Matt, you are telling me a trained police officer cannot subdue a 17 year old kid that lying face down on the ground? For heavens sake drop a knee into his back and hand cuff him. This is sickening.

Did you miss the part where the officer was physically assaulted, was bleeding from his head, the doctors said he sustained considerable head trauma, and the officer believed he may be about to go unconscious?

Officers are trained (and rightfully so) that if they are about to be incapacitated, that they immediately shoot to kill.
 

InTheLight

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Did you miss the part where the officer was physically assaulted, was bleeding from his head, the doctors said he sustained considerable head trauma, and the officer believed he may be about to go unconscious?

Yes, I missed that. Where was that in the raw video? All I saw was the kid get up and run away, the cop in pursuit. Then, about 8 seconds later I hear the cop's gun going off.

Officers are trained (and rightfully so) that if they are about to be incapacitated, that they immediately shoot to kill.

So ignore my point about handcuffing the kid. The cop asked him three times to have the kid put his hands behind his back. The kid has demonstrated umpteen times he's going to be uncooperative, the cop should know he's not going to put his hands behind his back. Rather than dropping a knee into the kid's back and pulling his hands behind him and cuff them, the cop stands there and tases the kid. What's up with that? I guess it's a lot easier to shoot someone with a taser than it is to get your hands dirty handcuffing someone.
 

matt wade

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Yes, I missed that. Where was that in the raw video? All I saw was the kid get up and run away, the cop in pursuit. Then, about 8 seconds later I hear the cop's gun going off.

Read the accounts of the traffic stop.


So ignore my point about handcuffing the kid. The cop asked him three times to have the kid put his hands behind his back. The kid has demonstrated umpteen times he's going to be uncooperative, the cop should know he's not going to put his hands behind his back. Rather than dropping a knee into the kid's back and pulling his hands behind him and cuff them, the cop stands there and tases the kid. What's up with that? I guess it's a lot easier to shoot someone with a taser than it is to get your hands dirty handcuffing someone.

It's safer for the cop to tase an uncooperative person than to physically constrain them. You don't know what drugs they could be on that could have them exert force beyond what you expect of them. I have no problem with cops taking the safe route of tasing someone.
 

InTheLight

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Read the accounts of the traffic stop.

Yes, and who authored the account of the traffic stop? Oh, yeah, that would be the police, and that would be after the cop shot an unarmed teenage boy running away after the cop lost control of the situation.

It's safer for the cop to tase an uncooperative person than to physically constrain them. You don't know what drugs they could be on that could have them exert force beyond what you expect of them. I have no problem with cops taking the safe route of tasing someone.

I'm asking for the police to exercise a little common sense judgment before shooting someone. Pretty clear to me this kid wasn't hepped up on drugs. If they are hyped up on drugs, what good is a taser going to do? No 17 year old, weighing about 160 lbs. and flat out on the pavement is going to get up from underneath the knee of a 180 lb. cop. This kid is dead now.
 

Zaac

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This is yet another example of excessive force being used. Like the story about the kid that got shot because he was threatening a cop with a skateboard and the story about the guy with a brick that got shot by his pastor, there is no reason to shoot a 17 year old kid because he is running away after being tasered.

This is insanity. Ann and Matt, you are telling me a trained police officer cannot subdue a 17 year old kid that lying face down on the ground? For heavens sake drop a knee into his back and hand cuff him. This is sickening.


Thank you. The whole thing is absolutely disgusting. This started about some bright headlights. The kid didn't say or do ANYTHING that warranted him being shot ONCE, let alone, seven times.
 

carpro

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Oh , the life of a cop. They never know when they will run across an idiot that turns violent.

All the proper warnings were given. Policy seems to have been followed to the letter.

Looks like a good shooting.
 

Zaac

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Yes, and who authored the account of the traffic stop? Oh, yeah, that would be the police, and that would be after the cop shot an unarmed teenage boy running away after the cop lost control of the situation.



I'm asking for the police to exercise a little common sense judgment before shooting someone. Pretty clear to me this kid wasn't hepped up on drugs. If they are hyped up on drugs, what good is a taser going to do? No 17 year old, weighing about 160 lbs. and flat out on the pavement is going to get up from underneath the knee of a 180 lb. cop. This kid is dead now.

Yep. And for what? SMH.
 

Zaac

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Oh , the life of a cop. They never know when they will run across an idiot that turns violent.

All the proper warnings were given. Policy seems to have been followed to the letter.

Looks like a good shooting.

It was a stupid shooting that didn't have to take place. I don't care if the kid tussled with him and started to run away. That child...adopted at four and finally given a family...did NOTHING that warranted his life being taken.
 
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