Officer kills 17 year old:'How in the world could this happen?' Guilford family speaks out

[Zaac]

So you value the life of the 17 year old over the life of the cop?

Stop being stupid. No one said any such thing.

That cop's life was never in any danger over a traffic violation or with anything that child did. And to shoot that child SEVEN times after pulling him over for flashing his high beams is absolutely DISGUSTING.

 

[InTheLight]

Oh , the life of a cop. They never know when they will run across an idiot that turns violent.

All the proper warnings were given. Policy seems to have been followed to the letter.

Taser juvenile while laying on pavement? Check.
Shoot juvenile after he escaped cop? Check.
Crime committed? Flashing high beams at cop and then being belligerent when pulled over.
Death sentence? Check.

Looks like a good shooting.

Really? What has the autopsy revealed as to where the kid was shot?

 

[Zaac]

Taser juvenile while laying on pavement? Check.
Shoot juvenile after he escaped cop? Check.
Crime committed? Flashing high beams at cop and then being belligerent when pulled over.
Death sentence? Check.

The whole world should be disgusted.

There is NOTHING that child did that warranted his 17 year old life being taken.

 

[carpro]

It was a stupid shooting that didn't have to take place. I don't care if the kid tussled with him and started to run away. That child...adopted at four and finally given a family...did NOTHING that warranted his life being taken.

Except attack a cop. Hand over the driver's license and nothing at all happens. Resist arrest and attack a cop, the outcome is fairly predictable.

This should be a training videao shown to all young men who think they can resist arrest and not suffer any consequences.

 

[matt wade]

The whole world should be disgusted.

There is NOTHING that child did that warranted his 17 year old life being taken.

You are continually and systematically ignoring that the juvenile delinquent physically assaulted the police officer, causing him significant head trauma. Of course, it doesn't fit your narrative so you just decide to ignore it.

If a 17 year old physically attacked you and caused you significant head trauma, would you simply remain passive and allow the attack to continue?

 

[InTheLight]

You are continually and systematically ignoring that the juvenile delinquent physically assaulted the police officer, causing him significant head trauma. Of course, it doesn't fit your narrative so you just decide to ignore it.

Show me in the video where this happened.

]If a 17 year old physically attacked you and caused you significant head trauma, would you simply remain passive and allow the attack to continue?

It hasn't been shown that the 17 year old attacked the officer.

 

[matt wade]

Show me in the video where this happened.

Show me in the video where it didn't happen.

 

[InTheLight]

Show me in the video where it didn't happen.

Really, Matt? Show me where something DIDN'T happen? You know better than that.

Watch the end of the video. There's about 8 seconds from the point the kid got up and started to run to the first shot being heard. When is this kid going to attack the cop?

This is why the autopsy is important. How far away was the cop from the kid? Where was the kid shot?

 

[matt wade]

Really, Matt? Show me where something DIDN'T happen? You know better than that.

Watch the end of the video. There's about 8 seconds from the point the kid got up and started to run to the first shot being heard. When is this kid going to attack the cop?

This is why the autopsy is important. How far away was the cop from the kid? Where was the kid shot?

The entry point was the front of the kid and it was close range. Again, these facts are already available, but you'll need to do more than watch a video to obtain them. Of course, I expect (as you've already done) that you'll dismiss the facts because you believe they are from a biased source (the cops).

The doctor that confirms significant head trauma to the cop wasn't a cop...why don't you believe that?

 

[Rolfe]

I have two questions.

1. If an assist car was called, and presumably enroute, why did the officer engage him before it arrived?

2. Was there found any drugs in the kid's system?

I would like to read T.Cassidy's opinion about this.

 

[carpro]

It hasn't been shown that the 17 year old attacked the officer.

http://www.nbcnews.com/news/us-news...d-sues-michigan-cop-roadside-shooting-n446026


Frost said Guilford attacked him, knocking him on his back and punching him in the face before he shot the boy. The fight itself was not caught on video. But Eaton County Prosecuting Attorney Douglas Lloyd reviewed other evidence, including wounds on Frost's face, and agreed with the officer's account, calling Guilford the aggressor and concluding that Frost acted in self-defense.

 

[InTheLight]

http://www.nbcnews.com/news/us-news...d-sues-michigan-cop-roadside-shooting-n446026


Frost said Guilford attacked him, knocking him on his back and punching him in the face before he shot the boy. The fight itself was not caught on video. But Eaton County Prosecuting Attorney Douglas Lloyd reviewed other evidence, including wounds on Frost's face, and agreed with the officer's account, calling Guilford the aggressor and concluding that Frost acted in self-defense.

What kind of a cop lets a 17 year old boy who has just been tased, beat him up?

Where's the autopsy report?

Interesting that we were told to wait for the autopsy report before passing judgment on Darren Wilson (MIchael Brown's shooter) but in this case we apparently don't need to see it.

 

[InTheLight]

The entry point was the front of the kid and it was close range. Again, these facts are already available, but you'll need to do more than watch a video to obtain them. Of course, I expect (as you've already done) that you'll dismiss the facts because you believe they are from a biased source (the cops).

The doctor that confirms significant head trauma to the cop wasn't a cop...why don't you believe that?

The kid was shot seven times. Presumably there were seven entry points. Were the shot locations consistent with a struggle? Was the cop on the ground shooting upwards? Was there abrasions on Deven Guilford's knuckles? Give me a link to the autopsy report, please.

 

[InTheLight]

I have two questions.

1. If an assist car was called, and presumably enroute, why did the officer engage him before it arrived?

Deven's girlfriend showed up minutes later with his driver's license. Really, this whole thing could have been avoided.

 

[matt wade]

What kind of a cop lets a 17 year old boy who has just been tased, beat him up?

If you had done more than read the video you would know that the tase wasn't effective since it was done at too close a range.

 

[matt wade]

Deven's girlfriend showed up minutes later with his driver's license. Really, this whole thing could have been avoided.

You are right. All the guy had to do was not argue, comply with requests, and certainly not assault a police officer.

 

[InTheLight]

If you had done more than read the video you would know that the tase wasn't effective since it was done at too close a range.

So the cop muffed the tasing.

Have that link to the autopsy?

 

[matt wade]

http://www.eatoncounty.org/componen...ess-releases/488-press-releases#frostinjuries

 

[InTheLight]

Have that link to the autopsy?

http://www.eatoncounty.org/componen...ess-releases/488-press-releases#frostinjuries

Thanks for the link.

From the report:
Sgt.Frost explained in his written statement that, at this point, because of statements previously made by Deven during the traffic stop, he suspected that this driver may have been part of a sovereign nation or militia movement and feared that the phone call being made was to summon others to come to the scene.

Really? What kind of an idiot is this cop? What possible indication was there that Deven was part of a militia group? Ridiculous.

If you read the report and the autospy you will see that all shots traveled at a downward angle through Deven's body. However, the cop said that he was on the ground with Deven sitting on his hips and punching him in the face and head. So how do bullets go through Deven's body on a downward trajectory when he is sitting on top of the cop?

It appears the cop's final shot was a head shot since all other body shots were from an "intermediate range" but the head shot was from close range and there was soot on the skin.

http://www.eatoncounty.org/images/D...ney/Press_Releases/Guilford_Press_Release.pdf

 

[Rolfe]

Deven's girlfriend showed up minutes later with his driver's license. Really, this whole thing could have been avoided.

I meant police car. He called twice on the video, and Dispatch called it out.