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When John the Baptist baptized that bunch of Roman soldiers---and they asked him what they should do---he didn't tell them to become rebels against Rome! He didn't tell them to petition the Ceasars to disarm and grow Tulips and Daisies.
When Jesus walked the earth----he didn't lead in any insurrections---He didn't say to His disciples---"You know, Boys!! This Roman government has GOT to go!! Ceasar is a cheater and a liar---and if I ever see him I'm gonna tell him a thing or two!!!"
When the Bible says that those disciples wanted to arm themselves with swords---Jesus didn't forbid it!!
This coming April 17, Gina??? Are you gonna render unto . . .?????? **Poor choice of wording edited out by Blackbird---my apology to Gina!
[ April 14, 2006, 11:53 PM: Message edited by: blackbird ]
When Jesus walked the earth----he didn't lead in any insurrections---He didn't say to His disciples---"You know, Boys!! This Roman government has GOT to go!! Ceasar is a cheater and a liar---and if I ever see him I'm gonna tell him a thing or two!!!"
When the Bible says that those disciples wanted to arm themselves with swords---Jesus didn't forbid it!!
This coming April 17, Gina??? Are you gonna render unto . . .?????? **Poor choice of wording edited out by Blackbird---my apology to Gina!
[ April 14, 2006, 11:53 PM: Message edited by: blackbird ]
Our government has already made the decision to go to war. So the first two questions are moot.
"Let every soul be subject unto the higher powers. For there is no power but of God: the powers that be are ordained of God.
Whosoever therefore resisteth the power, resisteth the ordinance of God: and they that resist shall receive to themselves damnation.
For rulers are not a terror to good works, but to the evil. Wilt thou then not be afraid of the power? do that which is good, and thou
shalt have praise of the same:
For he is the minister of God to thee for good. But if thou do that which is evil, be afraid; for he beareth not the sword in vain: for he is the minister of God, a revenger to execute wrath upon him that doeth evil.
Wherefore ye must needs be subject, not only for wrath, but also for conscience sake. Rom. 13:1-5
"Submit yourselves to every ordinance of man for the Lord’s sake:
whether it be to the king, as supreme;
Or unto governors, as unto them that are sent by him for the punishment of evildoers, and for the praise of them that do well.
For so is the will of God, that with well doing ye may put to silence the ignorance of foolish men:
As free, and not using your liberty for a cloke of maliciousness, but as the servants of God.
Honor all men. Love the brotherhood. Fear God. Honor the king." (Or in this case, the president) 1 Pet. 2"13-17
"And whosoever will not do the law of thy God, and the law of the king, let judgment be executed speedily upon him, whether it be unto death, or to banishment, or to confiscation of goods, or to imprisonment." Ezra 7:26
As for peace...
"There is no peace, saith the LORD, unto the wicked." Isa. 48:22
2 Pet. 2:10
"Let every soul be subject unto the higher powers. For there is no power but of God: the powers that be are ordained of God.
Whosoever therefore resisteth the power, resisteth the ordinance of God: and they that resist shall receive to themselves damnation.
For rulers are not a terror to good works, but to the evil. Wilt thou then not be afraid of the power? do that which is good, and thou
shalt have praise of the same:
For he is the minister of God to thee for good. But if thou do that which is evil, be afraid; for he beareth not the sword in vain: for he is the minister of God, a revenger to execute wrath upon him that doeth evil.
Wherefore ye must needs be subject, not only for wrath, but also for conscience sake. Rom. 13:1-5
"Submit yourselves to every ordinance of man for the Lord’s sake:
whether it be to the king, as supreme;
Or unto governors, as unto them that are sent by him for the punishment of evildoers, and for the praise of them that do well.
For so is the will of God, that with well doing ye may put to silence the ignorance of foolish men:
As free, and not using your liberty for a cloke of maliciousness, but as the servants of God.
Honor all men. Love the brotherhood. Fear God. Honor the king." (Or in this case, the president) 1 Pet. 2"13-17
"And whosoever will not do the law of thy God, and the law of the king, let judgment be executed speedily upon him, whether it be unto death, or to banishment, or to confiscation of goods, or to imprisonment." Ezra 7:26
As for peace...
"There is no peace, saith the LORD, unto the wicked." Isa. 48:22
2 Pet. 2:10
What rulers, Jack?
Think think think.
Call abortion good.
Call homosexuality good.
Call false religions good.
Do not acknowledge God.
This is not a terror to evil works. Therefore, I cannot accept that this verse applies to our government.
This does not describe our rulers.
Think think think.
Call abortion good.
Call homosexuality good.
Call false religions good.
Do not acknowledge God.
This is not a terror to evil works. Therefore, I cannot accept that this verse applies to our government.
Evidently---you didn't see those two jetliners come slamming into the WTC's---nor the devistation at the Pentagon---nor the remains of what was left of the liner in Pennsylvania as the plane was "twarfted" from its objective----you didn't hear the replay of the words---"Let's roll!!"
Not to worry, though!! After the little "mishap" at Pearl Harbor on December 7, 1941---there were still a handful of decending votes against declarition of war against the Japs---Imagine that---a Navy fleet destroyed and still eyes were blind!! The bones of over 1200 US Navy Sailors entombed aboard the USS Arizona---and
still the handful of decending votes!!
Would you not say that FDR was a "terror to evil works"----Hitler wasn't some Boy Scout Troop leader you know!!
Whats the difference between FDR and GWB??
No, they're not. The verses you reference did not apprehend a democratic republic in which the people — not a king — are the final say in political matters. If Christians oppose Roe v. Wade, are they to keep their mouths shut just because the court has ruled? Of course not. These verses are about obeying, perhaps, but they do not preclude our having differing political opinions.
That's no excuse not to seek peace, just as Jesus' observation that "the poor you have with you always" does not trump his preaching about showing compassion for the poor.
Blackbird, that was a play on emotions that had NOTHING to do with my last post.
I asked about calling our government good, in the context of the verse, which states that those in authority uphold good and denounce evil.
Please explain to me why you call our government good, in light of what I have posted.
I asked about calling our government good, in the context of the verse, which states that those in authority uphold good and denounce evil.
Please explain to me why you call our government good, in light of what I have posted.
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Evidently---you didn't see those two jetliners come slamming into the WTC's---nor the devistation at the Pentagon---nor the remains of what was left of the liner in Pennsylvania as the plane was "twarfted" from its objective----you didn't hear the replay of the words---"Let's roll!!"
Not to worry, though!! After the little "mishap" at Pearl Harbor on December 7, 1941---there were still a handful of decending votes against declarition of war against the Japs---Imagine that---a Navy fleet destroyed and still eyes were blind!! The bones of over 1200 US Navy Sailors entombed aboard the USS Arizona---and
still the handful of decending votes!!
Would you not say that FDR was a "terror to evil works"----Hitler wasn't some Boy Scout Troop leader you know!!
Whats the difference between FDR and GWB?? </font>[/QUOTE]Amen, Brother Blackbird -- Preach it!
You mean besides reason, logic, forethought, articulation and responsibility?
Man, I always miss the good stuff! Someone pm me with what was said, I gotta know this stuff! I won't hold it against ya... too much.
Yes, I get to render nine whole dollars.
However, (you knew that was coming I'm sure) I believe that there should be options for objectors. For example, we should be able to specify that our particular dollars not go to x programs. Better yet, let me keep the money from my paycheck, take it and the rest that I owe, and allow me to give it to a beneficial cause and then provide the proof that I did. For example, donate it to a shelter, or to a children's hospital.
blackbird wrote
if all we end up doing is getting rid of an evil tyrant or two, then it is worth it in my opinion. i have a son in the service. he isn't in Iraq but we are proud that he is serving his country and we know his life is in Gods hands regardless of what happens. such is life
most of us "christians" think Bush did and is doing the right thing. i don't agree with how long it is taking, but i support the president all the way. like blackbird and others i cannot help think of all the THOUSANDS of people killed in 9-11 and how it has effected America. other countries need to know we are not wimps to be taken advantage of that we will defend our country. even Clinton believed Sadam had weapons of mass distruction. you don't see all the good we are doing over there either from the LIBERAL media. all you hear is the bad. god forbid they say how much we are appreciated over there by the ones we are helping.
if all we end up doing is getting rid of an evil tyrant or two, then it is worth it in my opinion. i have a son in the service. he isn't in Iraq but we are proud that he is serving his country and we know his life is in Gods hands regardless of what happens. such is life
Support our troops Pictures from Iraq.
http://www.pbase.com/kburch/the_picture_from_iraq_you_wont_see_in_the_news
http://www.pbase.com/kburch/the_picture_from_iraq_you_wont_see_in_the_news
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If any Christian does not consider in advance, that is, look out for beforehand, for his own, in the greatest degree, for those in his own house-pertaining to domestic home, he has denied the faith, and is worse-more evil or aggravated- that an untrustworthy person without Christian faith.
I would consider this war looking out for beforehand to protect our home and suggest as Christians we have the responsibility to do so. It is obvious from the 9-11 attack that we have something serious to consider; war is not pleasant but there is a time to every season, a time to love, a time to hate, a time of war, and a time of peace.
As Christians we do strive to spare the innocent while attempting to destroy the threat from the wicked, such is war.
Gina you must have missed these, and so many more...
Romans 13:1 Everyone must submit himself to the governing authorities , for there is no authority except that which God has established. The authorities that exist have been established by God.
Colossians 1:16 For by him all things were created: things in heaven and on earth, visible and invisible, whether thrones or powers or rulers or authorities, all things were created by him and for him.
Daniel 4:17 "`The decision is announced by messengers, the holy ones declare the verdict, so that the living may know that the Most High is sovereign over the kingdoms of men and gives them to anyone he wishes and sets over them the lowliest of men.'
Romans 13:1 Everyone must submit himself to the governing authorities , for there is no authority except that which God has established. The authorities that exist have been established by God.
Colossians 1:16 For by him all things were created: things in heaven and on earth, visible and invisible, whether thrones or powers or rulers or authorities, all things were created by him and for him.
Daniel 4:17 "`The decision is announced by messengers, the holy ones declare the verdict, so that the living may know that the Most High is sovereign over the kingdoms of men and gives them to anyone he wishes and sets over them the lowliest of men.'
Something about whatever version that is you're using is confusing and
has me wondering which one it is. I've not heard of it. From what I
understand there's a number of new versions out, but I haven't had
time to check through and see which one this is.
Usually the KJV is what I read. Not that it's the only one, but I really
prefer it. Others sound foreign, or change the meanings of stuff.
has me wondering which one it is. I've not heard of it. From what I
understand there's a number of new versions out, but I haven't had
time to check through and see which one this is.
Usually the KJV is what I read. Not that it's the only one, but I really
prefer it. Others sound foreign, or change the meanings of stuff.
OK does this help? KJV
Romans 13:1 -2
Let every soul be subject unto the higher powers. For there is no power but of God: the powers that be are ordained of God.
Whosoever therefore resisteth the power, resisteth the ordinance of God: and they that resist shall receive to themselves damnation.
Colosians 1:16 For by him were all things created, that are in heaven, and that are in earth, visible and invisible, whether they be thrones, or dominions, or principalities, or powers: all things were created by him, and for him:
Daniel 4:17
This matter is by the decree of the watchers, and the demand by the word of the holy ones: to the intent that the living may know that the most High ruleth in the kingdom of men, and giveth it to whomsoever he will, and setteth up over it the basest of men.
Romans 13:1 -2
Let every soul be subject unto the higher powers. For there is no power but of God: the powers that be are ordained of God.
Whosoever therefore resisteth the power, resisteth the ordinance of God: and they that resist shall receive to themselves damnation.
Colosians 1:16 For by him were all things created, that are in heaven, and that are in earth, visible and invisible, whether they be thrones, or dominions, or principalities, or powers: all things were created by him, and for him:
Daniel 4:17
This matter is by the decree of the watchers, and the demand by the word of the holy ones: to the intent that the living may know that the most High ruleth in the kingdom of men, and giveth it to whomsoever he will, and setteth up over it the basest of men.
Just in case anyone missed this....
Support our troops! Pictures from Iraq.
http://www.pbase.com/kburch/the_picture_from_iraq_you_wont_see_in_the_news
Support our troops! Pictures from Iraq.
http://www.pbase.com/kburch/the_picture_from_iraq_you_wont_see_in_the_news
Sorry, French-wah!! My "Be-Safe-On-Line" AFA Internet filter service--"trumped" your link and filtered it out of my system!!Originally posted by Frenchy:
Just in case anyone missed this....
Support our troops! Pictures from Iraq.
http://www.pbase.com/kburch/the_picture_from_iraq_you_wont_see_in_the_news
I still like reading WW2 history---those American GI's----the only body armor they had was hunkerin' down on one side or the other of one of those Sherman tanks!!!
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You mean besides reason, logic, forethought, articulation and responsibility? </font>[/QUOTE]The only thing we have to fear....is Bush himself.
