OK... I still have these nagging questions:

Dear Brother, I deal with the RCC on a daily basis. As I witness for the Lord, I show them the freedom from bondage. I teach them that they cannot work their way to Heaven. I do not teach the catholic false doctrines.
This would be a false accusation. After spiritual salvation, we prepare them and teach them as Jesus said. To seek the Kingdom of God!

 

I don't deny that "he learned obedience by these things."
That is not what I was questioning.
What I said is: Did he have to? Did he have to "learn obedience?
Did he have to leave his throne of glory and come and die?
He is the Creator; we are the creatures. He didn't have to do anything for us. We deserve to die and go to hell. It is only of His grace that we live and are offered the chance to believe and go to heaven. But God is under no obligation to offer his free grace to us. He can be perfectly righteous and condemn the entire world to hell. We deserve it.
The point is that your view of God is a cruel God that one should live in the shadow of fear; whereas the Bible presents God as a God of love, whose love is so incomprehensible that there is no way that man could ever understand the great love that was demonstrated on the cross when Christ, the Creator died for our sins.

 

You show them freedom from bondage by teaching them that God will cast His Children into outer darkness/hell? That is not freedom from bondage at all.

It is a message of fear. A message of wrath. A message of bondage.

 

A resurrected body? yes. An imortal, incorruptable body? yes. A "heavenly" body? ok.

But where the Bible speaks of a glorified body it is conditional upon watching, having your "conversation/lifestyle" in Haeven, and following after paul.

 

I think it would be better if you would do this:

Hebrews 12:2-3 Looking unto Jesus the author and finisher of our faith; who for the joy that was set before him endured the cross, despising the shame, and is set down at the right hand of the throne of God.
3 For consider him that endured such contradiction of sinners against himself, lest ye be wearied and faint in your minds.

Instead of the kingdom, it would be better if we would "look unto Jesus," and keep our eyes focused on him. It says that he is the author and finisher of our faith. The kingdom is not, but Christ is.
Again, we are to "Consider Him." Keep thinkiing, meditating upon the one who died for you. He was the one who endured the sufferings, and despised the shame of the cross--and it was all for you. It was not for the kingdom that he did this for--it was for you.
Consider Him.

 

1. Unfortunately, the KJV translated politeuma as "conversation," but really it should be "commonwealth or citizenship."

2. Paul was saying to the Philippians that their true home is heaven and not in the Roman colony of Philippi.

3. So there's nothing conditional about heaven in this verse.

 

Amen, DHK!!

 

Once it is resurrected it is glorified. To make such didactic dichotomies is rather trite and redundant. A resurrected body is a glorified body. The body does not differentiate between the two.

 

Just out of curiosity... do you seek the kingdom of God or did you mark that verse out? Naturaly we teach them to look unto Christ. We just lay aside the doctrines of christ and go on. Looks as if many have not left these doctrines and are still in the milk. Do not misunderstand me, I stand in awe of the wonderfulness of the finished work at Calvary. I am greatful. Should we then forget about every warning given to believers?

 

"A resurrected body is a glorified body." Amen!

 

How much does it cost to ride your merry-go-round?

 

Here is how we look unto Jesus.

 

Proof please. Scripture! Dogmatic statements not accepted.

 

No, I do not seek the kingdom of God (Mat.6:33), as it was a statement directed to the Jews. But rather I seek the things of the kingdom of God as opposed to the things of this world. I believe that is the meaning behind the verse. As is said elsewhere:
Colossians 3:2 Set your affection on things above, not on things on the earth.

 

1 Cor 15:40-44

 

First prove that statement with Scripture *(Preferrably Pauline:laugh: )

Next explain this passage.

Matthew 28:19-20
19 Go ye therefore, and teach all nations, baptizing them in the name of the Father, and of the Son, and of the Holy Ghost:
20 Teaching them to observe all things whatsoever I have commanded you: and, lo, I am with you alway, even unto the end of the world. Amen.

 

One star is shiner than another. One believer gets more glory than another.

Based on what? Answser that!

Then answer what about those who are disobedient, unwatchful, unmerciful, and unrepentant?

 

Not to start a totlay new debate but I do not see this scripture as the Rapture before the Great Tribulation anyway.

 

with all the other false teachings you adhere to, should it surprise us that you don't see this Scripture as the Rapture before the Great Tribulation?

 

1. Lacy, I attempt to be biblical in my answers. Sometime I don't always get things right. But when the text is plain and simple, I get it.

2. In v.35, Paul tells us that he is addressing how the body is raised. Along the way, he uses these metaphors to drive his point home.