Old Regular Baptist (revised)

[Jeff Weaver]

This may already have been asked in one of these 19 pages, but, can anyone tell me if the ORB come close to the PB in faith and practice ?
Or, where can one go to dig up info on the Old Regulars ?
And, are there Old Regulars in Maryland ?
Thanks.

Bro. Tim.

There are some Regular Baptists in Maryland who omit the "Old" from their title. A Church or two exists in Harford County, and a couple more in Cecil County, and there are three or four just over the line in Pennsylvania, which would be close to the "Old Regulars."

As for practice, "Old Regulars" would be perhaps a bit more strict on some things than Primitives are. As for doctrine, some, not all, believe in a general atonement, and would probably be counted four-point Calvinists. Some are very nearly indistinguishable from Primitives.

Hope everyone at Columbia is well. Please give Elder Compton, and everyone our regards. He performed the marriage ceremony for my wife and I a very long time ago. I wish health would permit another visit with the folks there.

Jeff Weaver

 

[Jeff Weaver]

this page of links seems to equate Old Line Primitive Baptist with Old Regular Baptist.

Old Regular Baptists Maryland

Bro. Dallas

Bro. Dallas.

The link would be incorrect if that is the case. They are very close, but those of us who grew up in both worlds know the differences.

We have discussed this years ago, but there are three groups known known as Regular Baptists in the current scheme of the Baptist universe (perhaps more).

1st. General Association of Regular Baptists - Conservative schism from the old Northern Baptists, not under consideration here.

2nd. "Old Regular" Baptists, located principally in eastern Kentucky, Southwestern Virginia and places where these folks migrated. Very strict church discipline, some 4point Calvinists, others 5-point Calvinists.

3rd. Regular Baptists, also known among themselves as Union Baptists, resultant from a schism among Primitive Baptists and some Missionary Baptists over their support of the Union in the Civil War. Almost all of these Regular Baptists are Republicans. This faction (my great-grandfather was a minister for them) saw the coming together of some Primitives and Missionaries on political principals. Practice is very nearly Primitive, theology is 4-point Calvinist. (The term Calvinist being used as a short-hand). Some of these folks are full 5-point Calvinists, but they don't argue much about it. These bodies are very small, perhaps 100 churches, in four factions. One of their largest associational bodies has their churches named "Primitive."

To further add to the confusion, some Primitive Baptist Churches are officially named the xxxx Regular Primitive Baptist Church of Christ. But in discussion, only the Primitive title is used.

Some "Old Regular" and "Regular" Baptist Churches have the official name of xxxx Regular Primitive Baptist Church of Christ, but in discussion, only the Regular Title is used.

Thoroughly confused? I thought so, so, I'll quit now.

Jeff

 

[rlvaughn]

Originally posted by Frogman:
Thanks Brother Vaughn,
I didn't know to do that trick.

You're welcome, Bro. Dallas. If you just search on google for Old Regular Baptists Maryland, it looks for all sites with those four terms. So the Old and Regular and Baptist might not be associated in every case. If you plug in "Old Regular Baptists" Maryland, the search engine is still looking for those four words, but only for "Old Regular Baptists" when the three words are found together.

There is also the advanced search on google in which you can also exclude certain words.

 

[Frogman]

Brother Vaughn,
Thanks again.

Brother Jeff,
I am beginning to get straigthened out I think<grin>.

Bro. Dallas

 

[Daniel H]

Please visit our website www.oldregularbaptist.com it is the Indian Bottom Association's website. I am Daniel Hughes the website manager. May God bless.

 

[pinoybaptist]

Originally posted by Jeff Weaver:

Bro. Tim.

There are some Regular Baptists in Maryland who omit the "Old" from their title. A Church or two exists in Harford County, and a couple more in Cecil County, and there are three or four just over the line in Pennsylvania, which would be close to the "Old Regulars."

As for practice, "Old Regulars" would be perhaps a bit more strict on some things than Primitives are. As for doctrine, some, not all, believe in a general atonement, and would probably be counted four-point Calvinists. Some are very nearly indistinguishable from Primitives.

Hope everyone at Columbia is well. Please give Elder Compton, and everyone our regards. He performed the marriage ceremony for my wife and I a very long time ago. I wish health would permit another visit with the folks there.

Jeff Weaver

Thank you for this info, Brother Jeff.
Brother Compton seldom attends services at Columbia anymore.
He is at an old folks' home, run by Elder Bloyd if my info is correct, somewhere in the Eastern Shore of Maryland, actually already in Delaware.
But when I see him, I will give him your greetings.

Brother Tim

 

[old regular]

Does anyone know anything about the United Baptist of Primitive Order in Alabama? Are their associations close in doctrine faith and practice to Primitive or Old Regular Baptist.

 

[Joseph M. Smith]

The Comptons' son and daughter were at one time members of my decidedly non-primitive Baptist church in Washington, DC. Surprised to hear Mr. Compton is still living.

 

[pinoybaptist]

Originally posted by Joseph M. Smith:
The Comptons' son and daughter were at one time members of my decidedly non-primitive Baptist church in Washington, DC. Surprised to hear Mr. Compton is still living.

If the Lord wills, he will be 102 next year. I haven't seen him for a number of weeks now. The last time was when he came down from Mt. Carmel PBC to preach in Columbia.
He had, as I understand it, an operation for colon cancer, a few weeks back.
I won't be seeing him much anymore, seeing as my wife and I have moved up to North Tonawanda, NY, and there aren't any Primitive Baptist churches around here.
I guess we'll have to settle for going to a Reformed Baptist church across the bridge to Canada.
Elder Compton is a saintly, God-fearing man with nothing unkind to say of anybody, even about those in a Virginia association who seemed to have rejected him (if my understanding is correct).
I know the son you are referring to, and have met him a few times during services at Columbia and during their mother's funeral a few years ago.

 

[Bethelassoc]

Does anyone know anything about the United Baptist of Primitive Order in Alabama? Are their associations close in doctrine faith and practice to Primitive or Old Regular Baptist.

I believe you are referring to Wills Creek Association and Town Creek Association.

I have some information about them that is not up to date. This small association is officially called, "Wills Creek Association of United Baptists of the Primitive Faith and Order". It has been known as a Primitive Baptist association and has been known as United Primitive Baptist. The name "United" was dropped in 1842, and that it was restored in 1882. They probably called themselves Primitive Baptist from 1842 until 1882, then went back to United since no other PBs would correspond.

This information was given to me by Bro Vaughn from the Encyclopedia of Southern Baptists, Vol. 4, F. Wilbur Helmbold.

The other association is called Town Creek Association of United Baptists of the Primitive Faith and Order. It is quite possible that they do not exist anymore. I've corresponded with a member of the Wills Creek United Baptist Association and he never really heard of them.

I do have minutes from them if you are wanting some information, Bro Slone.

David

 

[Brother Bob]

If you don't mind my jumping in here. As far as long funerals are concerned it is more practiced among Union, Some New Salem but Sardis have cut their funerals down to abut 1 hour and 3 preachers. One to introduce services and prayer, one to follow and one to close out.

As far as Secret Order it is still an order in New Salem, Northern New Salem, Old Friendship, Old Indian Bottom (not one on web site), Sardis, Philedelphia, Union and the others I dont know.

Difference Theo of United and Old Regular consists mostly of "knowledge". Old Regular preach a Hope but that Hope is Christ and the United preach absolute knowledge but there are among both sides those who strongly agree with each other. Some churches I preach at have almost as many United Baptist as Old Regular and United is like the Old Regular, split very badly over different issues such as double marriage, music etc. More later.

 

[Brother Bob]

Little Rebecca , Henry Rd, Plymouth, OH
Maggie's Home Dundas, OH
Mt. Zion 5874 St. Rt. 309 Ada, OH
Little Flock, Rt 1 Ray, OH
Little Ruth, Rt 3 Marengo, OH
Little Edna 5160 Bond Ave Lorain,OH
Little Ida 4060 Drennan St Ecorse, Mich.
Little Flossie Lisbon, Indiana
Little Angel, 5733 Saltgaber Rd, Columbus, OH
Lily of the Valley, Rt. 534-600 Kawanis Pk. Dr., Geneva, OH

All Northern New Salem Churches don't know if it will help or not Preacher Boy.

 

[Brother Bob]

Notice none have mentioned the Moderators of The New Salem Association for last 40 years, Elder Banner Mann, Elder Grover Adkins, Elder Ellis Holbrook (present)

 

[Brother Bob]

franniemae78; I have preached in the Mary Lou Old Regular Baptist Church in Friendship Association. It is located near Grundy, Va and if you want to contact them George Baker, HC 61 Box 42A, Grunda, VA 24614 )276) 259-7640 or Larry Mullins HCR Box 141, Jolo, WV 24850 (304)967-7637

 

[Brother Bob]

Bubba; There are a few Old Regular Baptist who have baptisteries but very few and mostly located in Mich, OH. In Kentucky and area there are some who have a baptistery outside with a cover over it that can be slid back. One Church was cut from New Salem over using a baptistery and went to Indian Bottom who has web site but before Indian Bottom would take them they had to get rid of the baptistery. You will eventually see them on the outside more and more because of the filth in the creeks.

 

[Brother Bob]

bethelassoc;
Holston Valley, Lake Shore Dr., Bean Sta., TN
Bethany, Morelock ST., Kingsport, TN
Union Association Churches

 

[Brother Bob]

This is an Old Regular Baptist Song Book that I started publishing in 1990 and copyrighted. I started because there were no books published in this part of Eastern Kentucky. I do not do it for profit but just to serve the Old Regular Baptist but now Primitive, United, Freewill and just people who have grown up with these songs buy them. I only sale around 500 copies a year. I make very little effort to sell them I just keep publishing for the orders I get.

Link

Baptist Song Book

 

[pinoybaptist]

Brother Bob:

Know of any Old Regular Baptists of Primitive leanings in the Niagara-Buffalo-Lewiston and Tonawandas area ?
Or maybe somewhere in Ontario ?
Or a church close to being such ?
thanks.

 

[Brother Bob]

Sorry Pinoybaptist;
As far North as we go is Michigan. We have several in Michigan. It is just through the tunnel isn't it to Ecorse?

 

[old regular]

United Primitive Order

Dear Bethelasso, Yes I would like info on them, I wanted to know if they are like Old Regulars And Primitives. Thank You.