On Quotations

[Dr. Bob]

We have rules of conduct on the BB. We do not use the word "heretic" here. We do not question another poster's salvation (although there are times are worry about you )

We do give some leeway when someone uses a direct quotation. On another overly-long thread a quotation by Spurgeon, probably the prince of Baptist preachers of bygone years. It said that if a person did not accept the doctrines of grace (calvinism, the Gospel in a nutshell) that they were not just "weak" Christians who needed meat, but were not saved.

I quoted Piper some time back when he noted the damning heresy of the arminian/semi-pelagian works salvation.

Spurgeon did not "question the salvation" of any BB member. It was NOT a personal attack. I did not call anyone here a "heretic".

Please be wise in using a quotation (or even verse) in response to a particular poster. Like if C4K posted something I disliked and I quoted "and is in danger of hell fire". THAT is a personal response that is not in the spirit of godly discussion.

Just hoping to remind everyone that if you offended by a quotation, you have pretty thin skin. But if the quotation is directed at you and it violates the spirit of our rules, please report it.

And for the record, I do believe that some arminian types ARE weak Christians. And some calvinist types ARE weak Christians too. The spirit of this place is to help us GROW IN GRACE AND IN THE KNOWLEDGE OF THE LORD.

 

[Allan]

"I have also seen the measuring line in the hands of others—Doctrinalists. Yes. And their line has five marks which were originally made by John Calvin. And if your opinions do not square exactly to the standard, you are cut off from all part and lot in the blessings of vital godliness. Zion is certainly built according to the arrangement of the five points and therefore if any Brother or Sister does not comprehend and receive them all, he is not a weak Believer, but according to the measuring line of our rigid friends, he is not a Believer at all!" —Charles Spurgeon, The Man With the Measuring Line

This quote by Spurgeon in the sermon is taken COMPLETELY Out of it's context as this is what follows immediately after it

You know, Brethren, that there is no soul living who holds more firmly to the Doctrines of Grace than I do and if
any man asks me whether I am ashamed to be called a Calvinist, I answer, I wish to be called nothing but a Christian. But
if you ask me do I hold the doctrinal views which were held by John Calvin, I reply, I do in the main hold them and rejoice
to avow it. But, my dear Friends, far be it from me even to imagine that Zion contains none within her walls but
Calvinistic Christians—or that there are none saved who do not hold our views. Most atrocious things have been spoken
about the character and spiritual condition of John Wesley, the modern prince of Arminians. I can only say concerning
him, that while I detest many of the doctrines which he preached, yet for the man himself I have a reverence second to no
Wesleyan.
And if there were wanted two Apostles to be added to the number of the twelve, I do not believe that there could be
found two men more fit to be so added than George Whitfield and John Wesley. The character of John Wesley stands beyond
all imputation for self-sacrifice, zeal, holiness and communion with God. He lived far above the ordinary level of
common Christians and was one of whom the world was not worthy. I believe there are multitudes of men who cannot see
these Truths of God, or, at least cannot see them in the way in which we put them, who nevertheless have received Christ
into their hearts and are as dear to the heart of the God of Grace as the soundest Calvinist out of Heaven.
I thank God we do not believe in the measuring line of any form of bigotry.

- "The Man With the Measuring Line". You can look through it for yourself.

Spurgeon wasn't stating 'if your not a Calvinist your aren't saved'. He was stating there are THOSE CALVINIST who state 'if you aren't a Calvinist you aren't saved". Thus it is quite clear that he is not one of them.

 

[Revmitchell]

Just for the record it is blatantly false that the opposite of the ungodly term "Calvinist" is not "Arminian". If you are going to set up rules it is best you do not use pejoratives to describe those with doctrines different form yours. There are very few Arminians on this board.

 

[Allan]

We have rules of conduct on the BB. We do not use the word "heretic" here. We do not question another poster's salvation (although there are times are worry about you )

We do give some leeway when someone uses a direct quotation. On another overly-long thread a quotation by Spurgeon, probably the prince of Baptist preachers of bygone years. It said that if a person did not accept the doctrines of grace (calvinism, the Gospel in a nutshell) that they were not just "weak" Christians who needed meat, but were not saved.

I quoted Piper some time back when he noted the damning heresy of the arminian/semi-pelagian works salvation.

Spurgeon did not "question the salvation" of any BB member. It was NOT a personal attack. I did not call anyone here a "heretic".

Please be wise in using a quotation (or even verse) in response to a particular poster. Like if C4K posted something I disliked and I quoted "and is in danger of hell fire". THAT is a personal response that is not in the spirit of godly discussion.

Just hoping to remind everyone that if you offended by a quotation, you have pretty thin skin. But if the quotation is directed at you and it violates the spirit of our rules, please report it.

And for the record, I do believe that some arminian types ARE weak Christians. And some calvinist types ARE weak Christians too. The spirit of this place is to help us GROW IN GRACE AND IN THE KNOWLEDGE OF THE LORD.

Now, to the OP - I agree and good points :thumbs:

 

[pinoybaptist]

Just for the record it is blatantly false that the opposite of the ungodly term "Calvinist" is not "Arminian". If you are going to set up rules it is best you do not use pejoratives to describe those with doctrines different form yours. There are very few Arminians on this board.

What makes you think that the term "Calvinist" is ungodly and the term "Arminian" is not ? and you speak of pejoratives ?

 

[Skandelon]

A weak Christian? Is there any other kind?

 

[Rippon]

Just for the record it is blatantly false that the opposite of the ungodly term "Calvinist" is not "Arminian".

I'm sure you weren't aware that you said the exact opposite of what you intended.:laugh:

If you are going to set up rules it is best you do not use pejoratives to describe those with doctrines different form (sic)yours.

If the term "Arminian" is pejorative, then the term "Calvinist" must be one too.

There are very few Arminians on this board.

Ha ha. I guess you're right. Most lean more to the semi-Pelagian side.

 

[Dale-c]

Ha ha. I guess you're right. Most lean more to the semi-Pelagian side.

Sad but true.

 

[olegig]

We have rules of conduct on the BB. We do not use the word "heretic" here.....

I am wondering how the following fits into the mix?

I do know that believing and teaching that there is more than one Gospel is heretical. ---- insists that the gospel given to the Apostle Paul is different than the Gospel of Jesus Christ. This is heretical and I refuse to waste anymore of my time discussing this heresy. The Apostle Paul says let such a one be accursed.[Galatians 1:8, 9]

 

[SaggyWoman]

What about the hairy ticks that are here?

 

[olegig]

What about the hairy ticks that are here?

Wow, are those ticks back east worst than others?
All we have around here are the regular bald ones...
Hope my dog doesn't get one of those.