Once saved always saved

[steaver]

Steaver,


quote:
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Accursed children! 15 Forsaking the right way, they have gone astray...
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In Him,

Bob

Yes, they have forsaken the right way and have gone astray.....even denying the Lord that bought them.

Did not Jesus die for the sake of all the world? To purchase the lost? All those who shall call upon the name of the Lord? The debt has been paid, correct? The only thing left is regeneration by the will of God for those who will recieve the Truth.

They have heard the right way and have forsaken it, maybe they even were faithful church pew warmers at one time, but never were born again.

God Bless!

 

[steaver]

But why don't you use Scripture's terminology and speak of Christ's return - His "second coming" as Christians will of course believe?

What do you mean?

God Bless!

 

[steaver]

“Whosoever is born of God doth not commit sin; for his seed remaineth in him: and he cannot sin, because he is born of God." (1 John 3:9)

Bob, can you explain what this verse is saying? It says that the born of God CANNOT sin!? What does this mean?

God Bless!

 

[Gerhard Ebersoehn]

Originally posted by steaver:
The only thing left is regeneration by the will of God for those who will receive the Truth.


Steaver, The only thing left is regeneration by the will of God for those who receive the Truth - their receiving the Truth being the fruit, and not the condition, of their regeneration. A man not born again by the will and according to the eternal will of God, never will - cannot - will to receive, cannot truly receive the Truth - the Truth that saves. His own will and his own choice is not what saves him, is not a prerequisite of God's saving him.

 

[Gerhard Ebersoehn]

Originally posted by steaver:
</font><blockquote>quote:</font><hr /> But why don't you use Scripture's terminology and speak of Christ's return - His "second coming" as Christians will of course believe?

What do you mean?

God Bless!

</font>[/QUOTE]What I mean is it would be nice to know you believe with the Church universal "and sitteth at the right hand of God from where He shall return to judge the living and the dead".

 

[steaver]

Hi brothers and sisters in Christ. My computer crashed last week and I still haven't found anyone to come and fix it yet. I am just poping in using my brothers computer to let you know I will be back!

God Bless!

 

[ICU2YB]

I once asked a Church of Christ potentate, in the light of Titus 1:2, that God cannot lie, to explain how Christ could honestly say Mt 7:21-23 to an obedient 5 stepper, & got Porky pig's answer “be-dee be-dee that’s all!”

I was but a babe in Christ then thus didn’t follow up with the following pertinent questions, which I now ask opponents of OSAS to scripturally answer in obedience to Isa 28:10; 2 Tim 2:15.

1) How many births did the Lord tell Nicodemus he must have?

2) After the believing sinner receives his new Divine birth can he then lose that life by doing wrong or by failing to do right? If so, can he get that Divine life back, i.e. be born again, two, three, four etc times?

Thanks, Dave

 

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[steaver]

Hey, I made it back! Had to by a new computer. Well, I chose to by a new one rather than dumping more money into my old one. It was begining to nickle and dime me.

Steaver, The only thing left is regeneration by the will of God for those who receive the Truth - their receiving the Truth being the fruit, and not the condition, of their regeneration. A man not born again by the will and according to the eternal will of God, never will - cannot - will to receive, cannot truly receive the Truth - the Truth that saves. His own will and his own choice is not what saves him, is not a prerequisite of God's saving him.
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Hi Gerhard,

What you say and what the scriptures say just don't coincide. It is all a matter of scripture interpreting scripture and when scripture is the sole method used for interpretation, then one will learn that the gift of eternal life is offered to all regardless of the fact that God already knows those who will answer His call (foreknowledge).

I was but a babe in Christ then thus didn’t follow up with the following pertinent questions, which I now ask opponents of OSAS to scripturally answer in obedience to Isa 28:10; 2 Tim 2:15.

Hi Dave and Amen! These two passages are the key to building sound doctrine.

1) How many births did the Lord tell Nicodemus he must have?

2) After the believing sinner receives his new Divine birth can he then lose that life by doing wrong or by failing to do right? If so, can he get that Divine life back, i.e. be born again, two, three, four etc times?

1) ONE

2a) NO

2b) Since the answer is NO. Hypothetically one could not be renewed again unto repentance.

God Bless!

 

[ICU2YB]

Hi Steaver,

Hopefully miz83 or someone else in the CoC will respond, because I have yet to have any CoC potentate answer this question also.

Paul identifies only three groups in this world 1 Cor 10:32. Would Bob, or anyone else, please explain how they arrive at four?

Thanks, Dave

 

[steaver]

Paul identifies only three groups in this world 1 Cor 10:32. Would Bob, or anyone else, please explain how they arrive at four?

I don't think you will get an argument about these three groups from them. What they believe is that one can flip flop in and out of eternal life. Of course this destroys the definition of "eternal".

God Bless!

 

[ICU2YB]

Steaver,

Which is the point.

If what conditional eternal life advocates teach was true, would there not be a fourth group? It they were handling the word of God correctly (Isa 28:10; 2 Tim 2:15) shouldn’t they be able to turn to the verse, in context, for their “precept”?

The CoC insist that once a believer sins they join the lost, & yet do not have to be baptized again to be saved, which is faulty exegesis.

The irony is that CoC potentates deliberately live in constant sin & refuse to confess 2 Cor 4:2; Col 3:9 because they know the “restoration giANTs” were never baptized for the remission of sins, which according to their “precept” is absolutely necessary for salvation. Yet they insist that their sect is of God because of those GIantS, their religious rites are scriptural & that the other 500 “denominations” in “Christianity” are wrong.

Hopefully the CoC followers that are lurking will began to see the truth.

 

[steaver]

Hi ICU,

If what conditional eternal life advocates teach was true, would there not be a fourth group? It they were handling the word of God correctly (Isa 28:10; 2 Tim 2:15) shouldn’t they be able to turn to the verse, in context, for their “precept”?

Yes I see, but won't they say that they just become Gentiles again or Jews?

What does CoC stand for?

God Bless!

 

[ICU2YB]

Steaver,

The CoC (Church of Christ) claim is that such are "lost Christians" thus no need to re-baptize, which fails their creed of: "Book, chapter & verse."

For more information regarding CoC beliefs please go to:

http://www.baptistboard.com/cgi-bin/ultimatebb.cgi/topic/28/2875/9.html?

 

[ccrobinson]

I had an email debate a few years ago with a preacher from a Christian church. He believed in both Eternal Insecurity and Baptismal Regeneration. As my wife put it, if he truly believed those ideas, he must have been getting baptized everyday.

 

[ICU2YB]

ccrobinson,

By "Christian church" do you mean the "Disciples of Christ" (DoC)?

As you can see by the following the term “Christian Church” encompass' many diverse sects.

http://www.disciples.org/

http://www.antiochian.org/

http://www.wschurch.org/

http://www.svcc.com/

http://www.firstchristianchurchsanjose.org/

If so, & since I've yet to encounter a DoC, would you set up a DoC beliefs board for our education?

 

[steaver]

Steaver,

The CoC (Church of Christ) claim is that such are "lost Christians" thus no need to re-baptize, which fails their creed of: "Book, chapter & verse."

Thank You!

"lost Christians" ?? Quite the oxymoran! What a sad thing to teach that Jesus Christ is just another religion that one follows. These people do not understand "born of God"?

God Bless!

 

[ccrobinson]

The 3rd link in the list takes you to Westside Christian Church in Springfield, Illinois. In 1965, Westside planted Lakeside Christian Church on the other side of Springfield. Lakeside is the church I was a member of for over 9 years.

All I know for sure about Lakeside, Westside and others like them is that they are 1 of the 3 "types" of churches that came out of the Reformation Movement. CoC is one. I thought Assemblies of God was another and I don't remember the 3rd one.

I'm not an Admin or Moderator here, and I don't have the first clue about setting up a board. I don't really know enough about those churches to educate anybody. I can talk about my experience there, and what I observed, if you like.

 

[ccrobinson]

Steaver,

In my experience, neither the layperson, nor even some of the preachers, understand "born of God."

Oh, BTW, I guess I got the movement wrong. According to Westside's website, it's the Restoration Movement, not Reformation, if there's a difference.