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Once Saved - once lost ???
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External and internal. Paper vs heart. There may be an outward semblance of a 'marriage', but 'marriage' is something God joins at the heart. It is within the heart that there is the departing, leading unto the departing of the flesh, to be joined unto another, for first the heart was departed from the first to be joined unto the other, before the flesh.
We are not discussing backsliding, per se, but the final results thereof if unrepentant.
Let me ask you, as a Christian, do you [we] even still need to repent on occasions? [Rhetorical], Why? What happens if you [we] do not?
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If we be honest and true with ourselves, we could see moments throughout everyday in which we find ourselves adulterers before our Lord. By Grace ye have been saved through faith, and this not of yourselves. What this threat of losing salvation is, is nothing less than a Pharisee attitude looking down their self-righteous nose at others they don't like seeing them live free from the Law of sin and death in Christ and pointing to the Law as their weapon against grace.
The heart is always straying and committing adultery. God gives more grace......
Everyday. More Grace......
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Law is not against Grace, neither against the promises of God, for the Ten Commandments are all perfect promises of God in Christ Jesus, who will fulfill those words in our lives, if we believe continually in/on Him. The Ten Commandments begin with Grace, Exodus 20:2 KJB. God saved us. Not we ourselves. Saved not to disobedience, which is sin [1 John 3:4 KJB], but to obedience, Exodus 20:6 KJB, John 14:15 KJB.
It is not so much a threat, as it is a loving warning. Look on the side of Love.
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I would generally agree [but God is creating within faithfulness, faith to faith], but there is a limit:
Hebrews 10:29 KJB - Of how much sorer punishment, suppose ye, shall he be thought worthy, who hath trodden under foot the Son of God, and hath counted the blood of the covenant, wherewith he was sanctified, an unholy thing, and hath done despite unto the Spirit of grace?
"And if by grace, then is it no more of works: otherwise grace is no more grace. But if it be of works, then is it no more grace: otherwise work is no more work."
"Knowing that a man is not justified by the works of the law, but by the faith of Jesus Christ, even we have believed in Jesus Christ, that we might be justified by the faith of Christ, and not by the works of the law: for by the works of the law shall no flesh be justified".
I'll stick with Paul on this one.
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Not talking about justification.
"But we are not of them who draw back unto perdition; but of them that believe to the saving of the soul" (10:39)
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Let me try another approach.
Where was the Law of God [the Ten Commandments] in the Tabernacle [Psalms 77:13 KJB]?
Where was the Law of God [the Ten Commandments] in the Tabernacle [Psalms 77:13 KJB]?
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Keyword, "believe to".
Justification is what OSAS is ALL about.
Excellent!
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Justification deals with sins that are past:
Romans 3:25 KJB - Whom God hath set forth to be a propitiation through faith in his blood, to declare his righteousness for the remission of sins that are past, through the forbearance of God;
We are speaking about that which is done after "justification" or "calling upon the name of the LORD", in relationship to Him.
"For the law of the Spirit of life in Christ Jesus hath made me free from the law of sin and death."
"If the Son therefore shall make you free, ye shall be free indeed."
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Indeed, for some stop believing before they get to the end. It is not that they never believed.
1 Corinthians 15:2 KJB - By which also ye are saved, if ye keep in memory what I preached unto you, unless ye have believed in vain.
In justification:
Titus 3:8 KJB - This is a faithful saying, and these things I will that thou affirm constantly, that they which have believed in God might be careful to maintain good works. These things are good and profitable unto men.
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The Ten Commandments are the law of life. It is not the "law of sin and death".
Romans 7:7 KJB - What shall we say then? Is the law sin? God forbid. Nay, I had not known sin, but by the law: for I had not known lust, except the law had said, Thou shalt not covet.
Free from sin [1 John 3:4 KJB], not free from obedience:
Acts 8:23 KJB - For I perceive that thou art in the gall of bitterness, and in the bond of iniquity.
1 John 3:8 KJB - He that committeth sin is of the devil; for the devil sinneth from the beginning. For this purpose the Son of God was manifested, that he might destroy the works of the devil.
Psalms 119:10 KJB - With my whole heart have I sought thee: O let me not wander from thy commandments.
Psalms 119:11 KJB - Thy word have I hid in mine heart, that I might not sin against thee.
"...brought thee out of the land of Egypt, out of the house of bondage." [Exodus 20:2], see also Deuteronomy 5:6. 6:12, 8:14, 13:10; Judges 6:8; Joshua 24:17
"And that prophet, or that dreamer of dreams, shall be put to death; because he hath spoken to turn [you] away from the LORD your God, which brought you out of the land of Egypt, and redeemed you out of the house of bondage, to thrust thee out of the way which the LORD thy God commanded thee to walk in. So shalt thou put the evil away from the midst of thee." [Deuteronomy 13:5] [notice also that last part of the text]
"O LORD, truly I [am] thy servant; I [am] thy servant, [and] the son of thine handmaid: thou hast loosed my bonds." [Psalms 116:16]
"Bring my soul out of prison..." [Psalms 142:7]
"To open the blind eyes, to bring out the prisoners from the prison, [and] them that sit in darkness out of the prison house." [Isaiah 42:7]
"The Spirit of the Lord GOD [is] upon me; because the LORD hath anointed me to preach good tidings unto the meek; he hath sent me to bind up the brokenhearted, to proclaim liberty to the captives, and the opening of the prison to [them that are] bound;" [Isaiah 61:1]
"The Spirit of the Lord [is] upon me, because he hath anointed me to preach the gospel to the poor; he hath sent me to heal the brokenhearted, to preach deliverance to the captives, and recovering of sight to the blind, to set at liberty them that are bruised," [Luke 4:18]
"...whom Satan hath bound,... be loosed from this bond...?" [Luke 13:16]
"No servant can serve two masters: for either he will hate the one, and love the other; or else he will hold to the one, and despise the other. Ye cannot serve God and mammon." [Luke 16:13]
"...Whosoever committeth sin is the servant of sin." [John 8:34] [...is the slave of sin]
"...the bond of iniquity." [Acts 8:23]
"For ye have not received the spirit of bondage again to fear; but ye have received the Spirit of adoption, whereby we cry, Abba, Father." [Romans 8:15]
"For ye were sometimes darkness, but now [are ye] light in the Lord: walk as children of light:" [Ephesians 5:8]
"And deliver them who through fear of death were all their lifetime subject to bondage." [Hebrews 2:15]
"While they promise them liberty, they themselves are the servants of corruption: for of whom a man is overcome, of the same is he brought in bondage." [2 Peter 2:19]
So it would accurate for you to tell your student..."God hath set forth Jesus to be a propitiation through faith in his blood, to declare his righteousness for the remission of sins that are past only, but not the remission of sins you will have in the future,"
Are you serious? You really don't know Paul is speaking about the Ten Commandments when he goes on and on about the Law?
"And the commandment, which was ordained to life, I found to be unto death."
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No, since Romans 3:25 KJB deals with justification. Sins future from that point, need the continuing work of the Priest, the Advocate in the Heavenly Sanctuary [because the original Law of God is there, which we have transgressed]:
1 John 1:9 KJB - If we confess our sins, he is faithful and just to forgive us our sins, and to cleanse us from all unrighteousness.
1 John 2:1 KJB - My little children, these things write I unto you, that ye sin not. And if any man sin, we have an advocate with the Father, Jesus Christ the righteous:
1 John 2:2 KJB - And he is the propitiation for our sins: and not for ours only, but also for the sins of the whole world.
1 John 2:1 KJB - My little children, these things write I unto you, that ye sin not. And if any man sin, we have an advocate with the Father, Jesus Christ the righteous:
1 John 2:2 KJB - And he is the propitiation for our sins: and not for ours only, but also for the sins of the whole world.
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