One God in Three Persons

[ChristB4Us]

Answers:
1) We are indwelt with the Spirit of Christ, thus we have the mind of Christ within us to follow as Lord, our worship service.

We are indwelt with the Spirit of Christ as He is pointing us to keep our eyes on the Son in worship for by glorifying the son is how we are glorifying God the Father, There is no other way to glorify God the Father by per Philippians 2:5-11

2) We are to testify about the Father, Son and Holy Spirit in worship with both our thoughts and deeds.

Where does the glory of the Father rests upon? His Son.

Where is the glory of the Holy Spirit when He will defer all credit and glory of everything He does to the Son.

John 16:13 Howbeit when he, the Spirit of truth, is come, he will guide you into all truth: for he shall not speak of himself; but whatsoever he shall hear, that shall he speak: and he will shew you things to come. 14 He shall glorify me: for he shall receive of mine, and shall shew it unto you. 15 All things that the Father hath are mine: therefore said I, that he shall take of mine, and shall shew it unto you.

3) Jesus Christ, our Savior and Lord's name is above names, thus every knee shall bow. And for the umpteenth time, honoring one Person of the Trinity in no way disallows honoring the other two.

4) We, striving to be Christ-like, are to humble ourselves, putting aside fleshly desires and worldly treasures, and be obedient servants to God, Father, Son and Holy Spirit (Paraclete).

5) Work out our salvation refers to the Progressive Sanctification aspect of our Salvation. Which "God" is working in us? Father, Son and Holy Spirit, the Spirit of all three Persons! Trinity doctrine 101

Are you aware of that apostate movement of the spirit called the holy laughter movement as it is happening across all the denominations and all over the world as reported by the 700 Club?

Why would God allow that strong delusion to occur when addressing the Holy Spirit or the blessed Trinity in worship?

The spirit of the antichrist would take our eyes off of Christ to chase after them for a sign whereas the real indwelling holy Spirit would never do that as He will keep our eyes on the Son in worship.

That is why in these latter days, we should take heed to His words and narrow the way back to the straight gate, His Son or risk being left behind Luke 13:24-30 for climbing up another way, John 10:1 even as a broad way Matthew 7:13-14 like the blessed Trinity for not heeding His words per Matthew 7:24-27.

 

[Van]

The premise that we are not to honor obey and thus worship the Father and the Son and the Holy Spirit is false doctrine.

 

[ChristB4Us]

For clarity in case someone should apply Ephesians 5:18 as if this is something a saved believer should continue to seek after for a continual filling of the Spirit, it is just a call to remain sober aka be filled with the Spirit as opposing getting drunk with wine.

When Jesus made this prophesy which is a promise;

Matthew 5:6 Blessed are they which do hunger and thirst after righteousness: for they shall be filled.

He was talking about the coming salvation for all those who come to & believe in Jesus Christ.

John 6:35 And Jesus said unto them, I am the bread of life: he that cometh to me shall never hunger; and he that believeth on me shall never thirst.

So once saved, we are a new creature in Christ always filled with the Holy Spirit as a testimony from God that we are saved.

Matthew 9:17 Neither do men put new wine into old bottles: else the bottles break, and the wine runneth out, and the bottles perish: but they put new wine into new bottles, and both are preserved.

2 Corinthians 5:17 Therefore if any man be in Christ, he is a new creature: old things are passed away; behold, all things are become new.

18 And all things are of God, who hath reconciled us to himself by Jesus Christ, and hath given to us the ministry of reconciliation;

19 To wit, that God was in Christ, reconciling the world unto himself, not imputing their trespasses unto them; and hath committed unto us the word of reconciliation.

20 Now then we are ambassadors for Christ, as though God did beseech you by us: we pray you in Christ's stead, be ye reconciled to God.

21 For he hath made him to be sin for us, who knew no sin; that we might be made the righteousness of God in him.

1 Corinthians 6:19 What? know ye not that your body is the temple of the Holy Ghost which is in you, which ye have of God, and ye are not your own?

20 For ye are bought with a price: therefore glorify God in your body, and in your spirit, which are God's.

So beware those that misapply Ephesians 5:18 in seducing saved believers into seeking a continual filling of the Spirit les by that work of iniquity and that apostate phenomenon, they deny the Lord that bought them when we are always Spirit-filled as saved.

2 Peter 2:1But there were false prophets also among the people, even as there shall be false teachers among you, who privily shall bring in damnable heresies, even denying the Lord that bought them, and bring upon themselves swift destruction.

2 And many shall follow their pernicious ways; by reason of whom the way of truth shall be evil spoken of.

So avoid those that would take your eyes off of Jesus Christ to the Holy Spirit, or to any such phenomenon claiming that is the Holy Spirit coming on & filling them or them receiving that spirit which is really not the real indwelling Holy Spirit.

1 John 4:1Beloved, believe not every spirit, but try the spirits whether they are of God: because many false prophets are gone out into the world…..

4 Ye are of God, little children, and have overcome them: because greater is he that is in you, than he that is in the world.

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1 Timothy 4:1Now the Spirit speaketh expressly, that in the latter times some shall depart from the faith, giving heed to seducing spirits, and doctrines of devils;

2 Speaking lies in hypocrisy; having their conscience seared with a hot iron;

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2 Corinthians 11:2 For I am jealous over you with godly jealousy: for I have espoused you to one husband, that I may present you as a chaste virgin to Christ.

3 But I fear, lest by any means, as the serpent beguiled Eve through his subtilty, so your minds should be corrupted from the simplicity that is in Christ.

4 For if he that cometh preacheth another Jesus, whom we have not preached, or if ye receive another spirit, which ye have not received, or another gospel, which ye have not accepted, ye might well bear with him.

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2 Corinthians 13:5 Examine yourselves, whether ye be in the faith; prove your own selves. Know ye not your own selves, how that Jesus Christ is in you, except ye be reprobates?

To avoid that work of iniquity is to keep your eyes on the Son in coming to God the Father in worship by honoring the Son in worship if you wish to honor the Father in worship.

John 14:6 Jesus saith unto him, I am the way, the truth, and the life: no man cometh unto the Father, but by me.

John 5:22 For the Father judgeth no man, but hath committed all judgment unto the Son:

23 That all men should honour the Son, even as they honour the Father. He that honoureth not the Son honoureth not the Father which hath sent him.

The Holy Spirit is God and One of the Three Witnesses within the One God BUT because of seducing spirits in the world that are the spirits of the antichrist that would take your eyes off of the Son in worship for their visitations of signs and lying wonders like the “holy laughter” movement, is why the real indwelling holy Spirit will always keep your eyes on the Son in worship as he is sent to testify of the Son to glorify the Son through us in worship.

John 15:26 But when the Comforter is come, whom I will send unto you from the Father, even the Spirit of truth, which proceedeth from the Father, he shall testify of me:

27 And ye also shall bear witness, because ye have been with me from the beginning.

John 16:14 He shall glorify me: …….

Antichrist mans “instead of Christ” or to be precise “instead of the Son” since Jesus is the Christ. So beware any teaching that takes your eyes off of the Son in worship, like communion when Protestant & Catholic churches believes that Christ’s Presence is in the bread and the wine and that they are receiving spiritual benefits when partaking of the “sacraments” in “holy” communion which Paul says is committing idolatry. It is the same as coming into His Presence at communion and yet applying communion as “instead of Christ” in coming to God the Father by.

1 Corinthians 10:4 Wherefore, my dearly beloved, flee from idolatry.

15 I speak as to wise men; judge ye what I say.

16 The cup of blessing which we bless, is it not the communion of the blood of Christ? The bread which we break, is it not the communion of the body of Christ?

17 For we being many are one bread, and one body: for we are all partakers of that one bread.

18 Behold Israel after the flesh: are not they which eat of the sacrifices partakers of the altar?

19 What say I then? that the idol is any thing, or that which is offered in sacrifice to idols is any thing?

20 But I say, that the things which the Gentiles sacrifice, they sacrifice to devils, and not to God: and I would not that ye should have fellowship with devils.

21 Ye cannot drink the cup of the Lord, and the cup of devils: ye cannot be partakers of the Lord's table, and of the table of devils.

22 Do we provoke the Lord to jealousy? are we stronger than he?

23 All things are lawful for me, but all things are not expedient: all things are lawful for me, but all things edify not.

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2 Corinthians 6:14 Be ye not unequally yoked together with unbelievers: for what fellowship hath righteousness with unrighteousness? and what communion hath light with darkness?

15 And what concord hath Christ with Belial? or what part hath he that believeth with an infidel?

16 And what agreement hath the temple of God with idols? for ye are the temple of the living God; as God hath said, I will dwell in them, and walk in them; and I will be their God, and they shall be my people.

17 Wherefore come out from among them, and be ye separate, saith the Lord, and touch not the unclean thing; and I will receive you.

18 And will be a Father unto you, and ye shall be my sons and daughters, saith the Lord Almighty.

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Luke 13:24 Strive to enter in at the strait gate: for many, I say unto you, will seek to enter in, and shall not be able.

25 When once the master of the house is risen up, and hath shut to the door, and ye begin to stand without, and to knock at the door, saying, Lord, Lord, open unto us; and he shall answer and say unto you, I know you not whence ye are:

26 Then shall ye begin to say, We have eaten and drunk in thy presence, and thou hast taught in our streets.

27 But he shall say, I tell you, I know you not whence ye are; depart from me, all ye workers of iniquity.

28 There shall be weeping and gnashing of teeth, when ye shall see Abraham, and Isaac, and Jacob, and all the prophets, in the kingdom of God, and you yourselves thrust out.

29 And they shall come from the east, and from the west, and from the north, and from the south, and shall sit down in the kingdom of God.

30 And, behold, there are last which shall be first, and there are first which shall be last.

So do not let anyone fool you with misapplying Ephesians 5:18 to take your eyes off of the Son in seeking a continual filling of the Spirit when it is just an exhortation to remain sober as be filled with the Holy Spirit rather then get drunk with wine.

That also applies to taking your eyes off of the Son in worship. Do not let your worship ne known as "instead of Christ".

 

[ChristB4Us]

Jesus said the Holy Spirit is sent to dwell in us to testify of the Son through us per John 15:26-27.

And everything the Holy Spirit says and does, He defers all credit & glory to the Son per John 16:13-15

That means the Holy Spirit in us is not leading us to give Himself, the Holy Spirit, any glory as the glory of the Father rests on His son John 13:31-32 & Philippians 2:5-11.

That is why Jesus said He is the only way to the Father John 14:6 and that honoring the Son is the only way to honor the Father by. John 5:22-23

The Holy Spirit is not mentioned as He is subject to the Word of God and the will of the Father to do the same thing through us.

Dare we to NOT heed His words? Dare we to NOT be led by the Spirit to honor the Son in worship & get left behind? Luke 13:24-30

 

[Van]

The premise that we are not to honor obey and thus worship the Father and the Son and the Holy Spirit is false doctrine

 

[ChristB4Us]

The premise that we are not to honor obey and thus worship the Father and the Son and the Holy Spirit is false doctrine

Just saying it so without scripture citing that honor or kind of worship, does not make it so.

The premise to honor, obey, and worship the Holy Spirit with the Father & the Son & to even worship the blessed "Trinity" is not found anywhere in scriptures.

You do not see it in John 5:22-23 and the latter part of verse 23 leaves no wiggle room for honoring the Holy Spirit, let alone the "Trinity" because that is not the way to honor the Father by nor us to come the Father by per John 14:6.

You do not see it in John 13:31-32.

You do not see it in Philippians 2:5-11.

You do not see it in John 17:1-3

What we do see is the role of the Holy Spirit in scripture.

Look at Who the Holy Spirit will bear witness of through us;

John 15: 26 But when the Comforter is come, whom I will send unto you from the Father, even the Spirit of truth, which proceedeth from the Father, he shall testify of me: 27 And ye also shall bear witness, because ye have been with me from the beginning.

Look at how everything the Holy Spirit does and do, He defers all credit & glory to the Son.

John 16:13 Howbeit when he, the Spirit of truth, is come, he will guide you into all truth: for he shall not speak of himself; but whatsoever he shall hear, that shall he speak: and he will shew you things to come. 14 He shall glorify me: for he shall receive of mine, and shall shew it unto you. 15 All things that the Father hath are mine: therefore said I, that he shall take of mine, and shall shew it unto you.

Now since that is the role of the Holy Spirit in us, how can He lead us in any other way in bearing testimony, which also has to include worship? He cannot lead us to testify of Himself in seeking His own glory, let alone testify of the Trinity in seeking the glory of the Trinity because the Holy Spirit is a true Witness.

Proverbs 27:2 Let another man praise thee, and not thine own mouth; a stranger, and not thine own lips.

John 5:.31 If I bear witness of myself, my witness is not true.

John 7:18 He that speaketh of himself seeketh his own glory: but he that seeketh his glory that sent him, the same is true, and no unrighteousness is in him.

John 8:17 It is also written in your law, that the testimony of two men is true.

For believers in jail or isolated for whatever the reasons, if a believer wished to worship God the Father by honoring His Son, then his worship will be true because the Holy Spirit is adding His witness to the believer's own testimony & praise in worship.

This is why there are no scripture teaching to honor the Father by honoring the Holy Spirit of the blessed Trinity because the Word of God and the Spirit of Christ is leading us to testify of the Son in seeking the glory of the Son & thereby the Father,

The Holy Spirit is God and there is that Triune God, but scriptures plainly cites climbing up any other way is a work of iniquity.

John 10:1Verily, verily, I say unto you, He that entereth not by the door into the sheepfold, but climbeth up some other way, the same is a thief and a robber.

John 14:6 Jesus saith unto him, I am the way, the truth, and the life: no man cometh unto the Father, but by me.

John 10:7 Then said Jesus unto them again, Verily, verily, I say unto you, I am the door of the sheep.

John 5:22 For the Father judgeth no man, but hath committed all judgment unto the Son: 23 That all men should honour the Son, even as they honour the Father. He that honoureth not the Son honoureth not the Father which hath sent him.

How can the indwelling Holy Spirit be offended when His role is leading us to submit to the Word of God and the specific will of the Father for how to only come to the Father by & how to only honor the Father by?

 

[ChristB4Us]

I would offer another application in His words by the truth that God is not so invisible since man was made after His image and after His likeness Genesis 1:27 and so the meaning of invisible needs to be discerned with the Lord's help in scripture, because the Father has a celestial body as well as the Son does too when the Word of God made the request for man to be made after our image and after our likeness in Genesis 1:26.

1 Timothy 1:16 Howbeit for this cause I obtained mercy, that in me first Jesus Christ might shew forth all longsuffering, for a pattern to them which should hereafter believe on him to life everlasting. 17 Now unto the King eternal, immortal, invisible, the only wise God, be honour and glory for ever and ever. Amen.

Now we know Jesus Christ is that King of kings, and so He is not invisible, but at the moment, not presently seen.

That is how we should apply any reference of invisible to God the Father in Heaven as well.

Colossians 1:14 In whom we have redemption through his blood, even the forgiveness of sins: 15 Who is the image of the invisible God, the firstborn of every creature:

So for Jesus Christ to be the image of the invisible God the Father, that means God the Father is not presently seen since He has an image for us to see Jesus Christ as that image of the Father.

Then we have the assumption read into John 4:24 as if God is just a spirit, having no physical let alone a celestial form that man was made from His image.

John 4:19 The woman saith unto him, Sir, I perceive that thou art a prophet. 20 Our fathers worshipped in this mountain; and ye say, that in Jerusalem is the place where men ought to worship.

21 Jesus saith unto her, Woman, believe me, the hour cometh, when ye shall neither in this mountain, nor yet at Jerusalem, worship the Father. 22 Ye worship ye know not what: we know what we worship: for salvation is of the Jews.

23 But the hour cometh, and now is, when the true worshippers shall worship the Father in spirit and in truth: for the Father seeketh such to worship him. 24 God is a Spirit: and they that worship him must worship him in spirit and in truth.

Jesus was not testifying that God the Father is just a Spirit, but testifying to His Omnipresence now that Jesus Christ is there for why there will be no need to go to Jerusalem nor to the mountains in order to come to God the Father by, but they can come to Him from anywhere by coming to His Son in honoring the Son in worship in order to honor God the Father by.

As it is, Jesus said in that day when He takes us to the Father in Heaven, we will not need Jesus to ask the Father for us but we can go to the Father directly and ask Him for He loves us also.

John 14:1Let not your heart be troubled: ye believe in God, believe also in me. 2 In my Father's house are many mansions: if it were not so, I would have told you. I go to prepare a place for you. 3 And if I go and prepare a place for you, I will come again, and receive you unto myself; that where I am, there ye may be also. 4 And whither I go ye know, and the way ye know.

5 Thomas saith unto him, Lord, we know not whither thou goest; and how can we know the way?

6 Jesus saith unto him, I am the way, the truth, and the life: no man cometh unto the Father, but by me.

John 16:23 And in that day ye shall ask me nothing. Verily, verily, I say unto you, Whatsoever ye shall ask the Father in my name, he will give it you. 24 Hitherto have ye asked nothing in my name: ask, and ye shall receive, that your joy may be full. 25 These things have I spoken unto you in proverbs: but the time cometh, when I shall no more speak unto you in proverbs, but I shall shew you plainly of the Father. 26 At that day ye shall ask in my name: and I say not unto you, that I will pray the Father for you: 27 For the Father himself loveth you, because ye have loved me, and have believed that I came out from God. 28 I came forth from the Father, and am come into the world: again, I leave the world, and go to the Father.

So we moved on from going to a place to get closer to God when we are as close to God as we can ever get as our physical bodies are the temples of the Holy Spirit per 1 Corinthians 6:19-20 as bought with a price and so how can we come to God the Father form anywhere, but by His Son in honoring & glorifying Him in worship & thereby the Father as well as led by the Spirit of God in us to do.

 

[Van]

Just saying it so without scripture citing that honor or kind of worship, does not make it so. SNIP

Here, again, this poster misrepresents post #39, denying the reference to scripture.

 

[ChristB4Us]

Referring to scriptures about the Trinity or how the Holy Spirit is God is not showing scriptures regarding the practice for how God wants us to worship the Holy Spirit with the Father & the Son nor does it justify worshipping the Trinity as another way to honor the Father by when that is not "the way" either.

Look at how Jesus answered the Samaritan woman's question at the well regarding where we are supposed to go to worship God at.

John 4:19 The woman saith unto him, Sir, I perceive that thou art a prophet. 20 Our fathers worshipped in this mountain; and ye say, that in Jerusalem is the place where men ought to worship.

21 Jesus saith unto her, Woman, believe me, the hour cometh, when ye shall neither in this mountain, nor yet at Jerusalem, worship the Father. 22 Ye worship ye know not what: we know what we worship: for salvation is of the Jews. 23 But the hour cometh, and now is, when the true worshippers shall worship the Father in spirit and in truth: for the Father seeketh such to worship him. 24 God is a Spirit: and they that worship him must worship him in spirit and in truth.

So now that Jesus is with us, how does God the Father wishes for us to come to Him to worship Him from anywhere in the world since verse 24 is testifying to the Omnipresence of God?

In Jerusalem, the worshippers would feel His presence in the Temple, and so what has changed now?

1 Corinthians 6:19 What? know ye not that your body is the temple of the Holy Ghost which is in you, which ye have of God, and ye are not your own? 20 For ye are bought with a price: therefore glorify God in your body, and in your spirit, which are God's.

So we can come to God the Father in spirit and in truth in worship from anywhere in the world but how?

John 14:6 Jesus saith unto him, I am the way, the truth, and the life: no man cometh unto the Father, but by me.

Jesus is specifically telling us how we can come to God the Father by. Earlier, He condemns any other way.

John 10:1Verily, verily, I say unto you, He that entereth not by the door into the sheepfold, but climbeth up some other way, the same is a thief and a robber.

7 Then said Jesus unto them again, Verily, verily, I say unto you, I am the door of the sheep.

That is why there is no mention of honoring the Holy Spirit in verse 23 because the latter part of verses 23 excludes Him from worship.

John 5:22 For the Father judgeth no man, but hath committed all judgment unto the Son: 23 That all men should honour the Son, even as they honour the Father. He that honoureth not the Son honoureth not the Father which hath sent him.

Why would the Holy Spirit not be honored? LOOK at the role of the Holy Spirit of Whom He will testify of.

John 15:26 But when the Comforter is come, whom I will send unto you from the Father, even the Spirit of truth, which proceedeth from the Father, he shall testify of me: 27 And ye also shall bear witness, because ye have been with me from the beginning.

EVERYTHING the Holy Spirit says and do, He defers all credit & glory to the Son.

John 16:13 Howbeit when he, the Spirit of truth, is come, he will guide you into all truth: for he shall not speak of himself; but whatsoever he shall hear, that shall he speak: and he will shew you things to come. 14 He shall glorify me: for he shall receive of mine, and shall shew it unto you. 15 All things that the Father hath are mine: therefore said I, that he shall take of mine, and shall shew it unto you.

So how can the Holy Spirit in us lead us to testify of Himself in seeking His own glory or to honor in any other way in worship?

It is those erroneous creeds that blinds believers to His words as if Jesus did not really meant that He is the only way to come to God the Father by from anywhere in the world for worship and yet His words explicitly said so.

The mentality of seeking His Presence, that spirit in the Temple at Jerusalem under the Old Covenant is be done away with because what is felt outside of us now is the very definition of the spirit of the antichrist as "instead of Christ". 1 John 4:3-4

Look at how the Roman Catholic Church created every other way in prayer, and worship "instead of Christ". They even made communion as another way to come into His presence and to receive Him again, That is ALSO how they used the doctrine of the Trinity in broadening the way so that you are disregarding the commandment of His invitation as "instead of Christ".

Look at His warning.in Luke 13:24-30 for how He condemned those who profess him as workers of iniquity because of the place they were coming from "whence" as in the way they took to Him as "instead of Christ".

Luke 13:24 Strive to enter in at the strait gate: for many, I say unto you, will seek to enter in, and shall not be able. 25 When once the master of the house is risen up, and hath shut to the door, and ye begin to stand without, and to knock at the door, saying, Lord, Lord, open unto us; and he shall answer and say unto you, I know you not whence ye are: 26 Then shall ye begin to say, We have eaten and drunk in thy presence, and thou hast taught in our streets. 27 But he shall say, I tell you, I know you not whence ye are; depart from me, all ye workers of iniquity. 28 There shall be weeping and gnashing of teeth, when ye shall see Abraham, and Isaac, and Jacob, and all the prophets, in the kingdom of God, and you yourselves thrust out. 9 And they shall come from the east, and from the west, and from the north, and from the south, and shall sit down in the kingdom of God. 30 And, behold, there are last which shall be first, and there are first which shall be last.

The Greek word "pothen" is defined as in Strong's concordance as "from the base of posiV - posis 4213 with enclitic adverb of origin; from which (as interrogative) or what (as relative) place, state, source or cause:--whence.

I believe that in these latter days, believers and churches are at risk of being left behind for not striving to enter through that straight gate in worship, prayer, and fellowship.

1 Corinthians 1:9 God is faithful, by whom ye were called unto the fellowship of his Son Jesus Christ our Lord. 10 Now I beseech you, brethren, by the name of our Lord Jesus Christ, that ye all speak the same thing, and that there be no divisions among you; but that ye be perfectly joined together in the same mind and in the same judgment.

1 Corinthians 2:2 For I determined not to know any thing among you, save Jesus Christ, and him crucified.

Why else would He say I know ye not "whence" ye are in relation to that straight gate for why He is urging believers to strive?

You are reading the creeds into the scripture but the Trinity is not in dispute, but His words regarding the way to come to God the Father by, does reprove coming to Him by way of the Holy Spirit and even the blessed Trinity in worship, prayer, & fellowship as the principle of the antichrist as "instead of Christ" is being done with the Holy Spirit & the Trinity. We should not.

That is the consequence for not coming to God the Father by the only way provided and that is His Son in honoring the Son in worship as led by the Spirit of Christ to do as that consequence for "instead of Christ" is that very work of iniquity denying Him as the only way for why He is denying those that take a different way like the Holy Spirit or the broad way like the Trinity.

Titus 1:16 They profess that they know God; but in works they deny him, being abominable, and disobedient, and unto every good work reprobate.

 

[Alan Dale Gross]

So how can the Holy Spirit in us lead us to testify of Himself in seeking His own glory or to honor in any other way in

Since, we should trust the Spirit of God with the Work of Grace upon our souls in Salvation, we are Worshiping God the Holy Spirit as He leads us to be confident that He that has begun a Good Work in us, when we were Born Again by God the Holy Spirit Will Perform it; because,

“it is God that Works in us, to Will and to Do, of His Good Pleasure”, by The Holy Spirit of God, Who is God, and Worthy of our Worship, Equally with God the Father and God the Son.

It is those erroneous creeds that blinds believers to His words as if Jesus did not really meant that He is the only way to come to God the Father by from anywhere in the world for worship and yet His words explicitly said so.

You say Jesus 'explicitly' said that "He is the only way to come to God the Father...for worship...His words explicitly said so",

however, the subject matter of 'Worship' wasn't a part of the discussion He was having, when He said, "Jesus saith unto Him, I am the Way, the Truth, and the Life: no man cometh unto the Father, but by Me", in John 14:6.

For lost souls to come to God the Father, for 'Salvation', they must come through The Way, The Truth, and The Life, for the Way of 'Salvation', the Truth about 'Salvation, and Eternal Life, in Eternal 'Salvation.

To add 'in Worship' to 'come to' is quenching The Holy Spirit in your life, there, where that is simply an error in assumption that it says something that it doen't.

The parallel verse about no man coming to Jesus in Salvation, 'except the Father Draws them, is The Holy Spirit doing the 'drawing' in Salvation.

You are reading the creeds into the scripture but the Trinity is not in dispute, but His words regarding the way to come to God the Father by, does reprove coming to Him by way of the Holy Spirit and even the blessed Trinity in prayer, & fellowship as the principle of the antichrist as "instead of Christ" is being done with the Holy Spirit & the Trinity. We should not.

Where is there anything about "instead of Christ" mentioned in the history of the World? (OH, I see what you were saying now about the RRC doing that in a way. Right).

honoring the Son in worship as led by the Spirit of Christ

Yeah, the subject matter of Worship is mentioned to be done in spirit, which is in The Holy Spirit, so attempting to exclude The Holy Spirit in Worship means that no Worship may be effectually offered.

And, as we see from the Bible, The Holy Spirit is to be Worshipped, Directly, not to the exclusion of God the Father and God the Son.

"The Worship which is due to the Spirit of God, and is given unto Him, proves Him to be God; for were He not, such Worship would never be paid Him; not only temples are erected by Him, but for Him, in which He is Worshipped and Glorified (Eph. 2:22; 1 Cor. 3:16, 6:19, 20).

"In whom ye also are builded together for an habitation of God through the Spirit", "

"Baptism, a solemn act of religious Worship, is administered in His name, as in the Name of the Father and the Son (Matthew 28:19).

"Swearing, which is another act of Worship, a solemn appeal to the Omniscient God, and is mentioned as a branch of serving Him, (Deut. 6:13) is made by the Spirit, and He is called upon as a witness to facts (Rom. 9:1).

"And prayer, a very principal part of Worship, is directed to Him, sometimes singly, as in (2 Thess. 3:5; Song 4:16) and sometimes, in conjunction with the other divine Persons (Rev. 1:4, 5).

"All which prove Him to be truly and properly God; and therefore we should be careful to give Him the Honour and Glory due unto Him, as to the Father and the Son;

"and as we trust (and, therefore, Worship) the Son with the whole affair of our Salvation, and trust in Him for it; so we should trust, (and , therefore, Worship), the Spirit of God with the Work of Grace upon our souls; and be confident that He that has begun it, will perform it; since

“it is God that Works in us,
to Will and to Do,
of His Good Pleasure”,


From John Gill: Doctrinal Divinity -
Christian Classics Ethereal Library

 

[ChristB4Us]

Leaving your comment out of quote for easier reading

Since, we should trust the Spirit of God with the Work of Grace upon our souls in Salvation, we are Worshiping God the Holy Spirit as He leads us to be confident that He that has begun a Good Work in us, when we were Born Again by God the Holy Spirit Will Perform it; because,

“it is God that Works in us, to Will and to Do, of His Good Pleasure”, by The Holy Spirit of God, Who is God, and Worthy of our Worship, Equally with God the Father and God the Son. ~~ end of quote

You should know that everything the Holy Spirit says and does, He defers all credit & glory to the Son.

John 16:13 Howbeit when he, the Spirit of truth, is come, he will guide you into all truth: for he shall not speak of himself; but whatsoever he shall hear, that shall he speak: and he will shew you things to come. 14 He shall glorify me: for he shall receive of mine, and shall shew it unto you. 15 All things that the Father hath are mine: therefore said I, that he shall take of mine, and shall shew it unto you.

So Who is actually doing the work that gets the credit & glory for by how God the Father is glorified by? His Son.

Philippians 1:6 Being confident of this very thing, that he which hath begun a good work in you will perform it until the day of Jesus Christ:..... 11 Being filled with the fruits of righteousness, which are by Jesus Christ, unto the glory and praise of God.

John 6:28 Then said they unto him, What shall we do, that we might work the works of God? 29 Jesus answered and said unto them, This is the work of God, that ye believe on him whom he hath sent.

It is His Son that is answering prayers so that the Father may be glorified in His Son for answers to prayers.

John 14:6 Jesus saith unto him, I am the way, the truth, and the life: no man cometh unto the Father, but by me.....
.....13 And whatsoever ye shall ask in my name, that will I do, that the Father may be glorified in the Son. 14 If ye shall ask any thing in my name, I will do it.

Now see how the Trinity doctrine has obscured the reading of the scriptures by you giving credit & glory to the Holy Spirit and thus by the definition of what antichrist means and does, is seen as "instead of Christ"?

The indwelling Holy Spirit would never do that but keep our eyes on the Son in honoring the Son worship in order to come to & honor God the Father in worship.

When our eyes are off of the Son in worship, that is an offense to the Father for why spirits of the antichrist comes in with signs and lying wonders like the "holy laughter" movement whenever anyone's focus is on the Holy Spirit or even the blessed Trinity in worship. And then when the next church service comes again, what do they do but invoke the Holy Spirit again and the phenomenon happens again along with other supernatural manifestations of confusion.

1 Corinthians 14:32 And the spirits of the prophets are subject to the prophets. 33 For God is not the author of confusion, but of peace, as in all churches of the saints.

So by the definition of what antichrist means as "instead of Christ" is how one invites the spirit of the antichrist to come.

It is happening even in the Baptist churches for why I am prompting all Baptists and Christians to discern the cause of that effect and that is by that unscriptural practice of worshipping the Holy spirit with the Father & the Son, even as the Trinity.

What Is 'Holy Laughter' and Is it Biblical?

This late Baptist preacher, Dr. Roger Barrier, DID NOT discern this phenomenon at all as he answered this inquiry at the link.

"As best as I can tell, if holy laughter is Holy Spirit inspired, there is nothing you can do to cause it to happen or bring it on by trying. If the Holy Spirit ever inspires holy laughter in you, then enjoy it. Otherwise, don’t do it and don’t worry about it."

But they do invoke the Holy Spirit after the initial contact to cause this phenomenon to occur again and it does.

The pastor at my aunt's church in Missouri stated that "No man can move the Holy Spirit but man has to move out of the way for the Holy Spirit to move in." < ------ New age methodology as it is after the rudiment of the world and not after Christ.

So the phenomenon of holy laughter seduces saved believers in chasing after it with their sights on the Holy Spirit "instead of Christ" and that is why God is allowing that strong delusion to occur for climbing up another way "instead of Christ".

 

[Van]

The premise that we are not to honor obey and thus worship the Father and the Son and the Holy Spirit is false doctrine.

Matthew 28:19-20
“Go, therefore, and make disciples of all the nations, baptizing them in the name of the Father and the Son and the Holy Spirit,
teaching them to follow all that I commanded you; and behold, I am with you always, to the end of the age.”

What is the "name" of the Father, Son and Holy Spirit?" One might say "Yahweh" or God Almighty or "I Am." But that is not the idea. Name here is used to refer to what they understood about all three, their commands or instructions, their authority, and their will as to how we are to live our lives "in Christ."

 

[ChristB4Us]

The premise that we are not to honor obey and thus worship the Father and the Son and the Holy Spirit is false doctrine.

Matthew 28:19-20
“Go, therefore, and make disciples of all the nations, baptizing them in the name of the Father and the Son and the Holy Spirit,
teaching them to follow all that I commanded you; and behold, I am with you always, to the end of the age.”

What is the "name" of the Father, Son and Holy Spirit?" One might say "Yahweh" or God Almighty or "I Am." But that is not the idea. Name here is used to refer to what they understood about all three, their commands or instructions, their authority, and their will as to how we are to live our lives "in Christ."

For the readers... Matthew 28:19 should be discerned since in the Book of Acts they only baptized in the name of Jesus Christ and so how some churches, like the Catholics, will baptize saying it like that as "in the name of the Father, Son, and Holy Ghost" how His disciples and the early church did the actual baptism in the name of Jesus Christ to be identified as a disciple of Jesus Christ should be noticed.

They are not known as disciples of the Trinity even though there are 3 Witnesses within the One God.

Anyway, just because there are Three Witnesses within the One God, that does not mean we can add to His words by how we come to God the Father by but by His Son per John 14:6, not by the broad way like the Trinity or else Matthew 7:13-27 & Luke 13:24-30

You can only honor the Father by only honoring the Son John 5:22-23 & the Holy Spirit in us is leading us to do the very same thing John 15:26-27 & John 16:14

Now if any reader disagree with that, then explain and apply the warnings from Jesus in Matthew 7:13-27 & Luke 13:24-30 for how it is an offense to God to climb up any other way John 10:1

If I am wrong about applying that warning towards not heeding the commandment of His invitation of John 14:6, for how we are to come to God the Father by, then what is the iniquity in Matthew 7:13-27 & Luke 13:24-30 other than pointing to some other way to come to God the Father by "instead of Christ".

 

[Alan Dale Gross]

Now see how the Trinity doctrine has obscured the reading of the scriptures by you giving credit & glory to the Holy Spirit and thus by the definition of what antichrist means and does, is seen as "instead of Christ"?

The indwelling Holy Spirit would never do that but keep our eyes on the Son in honoring the Son worship in order to come to

Where is there anything about "instead of Christ" mentioned in the history of the World?

For lost souls to come to God the Father, for 'Salvation', they must come through The Way, The Truth, and The Life, for the Way of 'Salvation', the Truth about 'Salvation, and Eternal Life, in Eternal 'Salvation.

To add 'in Worship' to 'come to' is quenching The Holy Spirit in your life, there, where that is simply an error in assumption that it says something that it doen't.

I can`t leave The Holy Spirit out of being the Object of Worship without leaving Him out of Equality in the Trinity.

I see you as throwing the baby out with the bathwater and actually being robbed by the Etrrnal Spiritual Blessing of knowing that your Sprit and soul are worshippingthe Holy Spirit any time you are engaged in any of the following Spiritually Divine Practical Graces:

• Book I. On the Worship of God.
• Chapter 1. Of the Worship of God, or Practical Religion of the Object of Worship
• Chapter 2. Of Internal Worship, and of Godliness the Groundwork of it.
• Chapter 3. Of the Knowledge of God.
• Chapter 4. Of Repentance Towards God.
• Chapter 5. Of the Fear of God
• Chapter 6. Of Faith in God and in Christ
• Chapter 7. Of Trust and Confidence in God
• Chapter 8. Of the Grace of God
• Chapter 9. Of the Grace of Love
• Chapter 10. Of Spiritual Joy
• Chapter 11. Of Peace and Tranquility of Mind
• Chapter 12. Of Contentment of Mind
• Chapter 13. Of Thankfulness to God
• Chapter 14. Of Humility
• Chapter 15. Of Self-Denial
• Chapter 16. Of Resignation to the Will of God
• Chapter 17. Of Patience
• Chapter 18. Of Christian Fortitude
• Chapter 19. Of Zeal
• Chapter 20. Of Wisdom or Prudence
• Chapter 21. Of Godly Sincerity
• Chapter 22. Of Spiritual Mindedness
• Chapter 23. Of a Good Conscience
• Chapter 24. Of Communion with God

Body of Practical Divinity

 

[Alan Dale Gross]

When our eyes are off of the Son in worship, that is an offense to the Father for why spirits of the antichrist comes in with signs and lying wonders like the "holy laughter" movement whenever anyone's focus is on the Holy Spirit or even the blessed Trinity in worship.

, if holy laughter is Holy Spirit inspired,

. If the Holy Spirit ever inspires holy laughter

If you are ever concerned about something called `Holy Spirit laughter`, you could always "try the spirits, to see if they be of God".

Baptists and Christians to discern the cause of that effect and that is by that unscriptural practice of worshipping the Holy spirit with the Father & the Son, even as the Trinity.

“Thou shalt worship the Lord thy God, and him only shalt thou serve” (Matthew 4:10).

"Two things are to be observed and considered

(1) That the Lord God is the object of worship.

(2) That he alone is the object of worship, to the exclusion of all others..."

"1b. Secondly, God personally considered, or God considered in the three persons, is the object of worship. “The Father, the Word, and the Holy Ghost, and these three are one”, are one God, and so equally the object of divine worship.

"1b1. First, The Father, of whom Christ expressly says, that men shall “worship the Father” (John 4:21, 23), and of the propriety of this there can be no doubt, since his Deity is not denied by any, and was it, they would easily be confronted; he is expressly called “God the Father” (Phil. 2:11), and sometimes “God even the Father” (1 Cor. 15:24; 2 Cor. 1:3), all the perfections of Deity are attributed to him, as immutability, eternity, &c. and the works of creation, providence, and grace; and he has undoubtedly a proper claim of worship from his creatures, and accordingly worship is given to him, and acts of it are exercised on him.

"1. The object of worship is the Lord God, God essentially and personally considered.

"1a. First, God essentially considered, or as considered in his nature and essence, which is the foundation of worship. Many are the directions and instructions given to “worship God”, without specifying any of the persons in the Deity particularly to be worshipped; (see Rev. 14:7; 19:10; 22:9). The “Lord” is to be worshipped; the Lord, who is the one Jehovah, and whose name alone is Jehovah (Deut. 6:4; Ps. 83:18)...."

"1b2. Secondly, the Word, or Son of God, is also the object of worship; “he is thy Lord, and worship thou him” (Ps. 45:11), yea, he is to be worshipped with the same sort of worship, and to be honored with the same degree of honour the Father is (John 5:23), for he is the Lord, the Jehovah, thy God, as Thomas said, “My Lord, and my God”; the mighty God, the great God, God over the true God and eternal life; who has the same perfections his Father has; and the same works his Father does are done by him (Col. 2:9; John 5:19), and therefore to be worshipped with the same worship, and so he is...."

"1b3. Thirdly, the Holy Spirit is also the object of worship equally with the Father and the Son. He is with them the one God. He is possessed of all divine perfections, such as eternity, omniscience, omnipresence, &c. he was concerned in creation, and is in the government of the world, and in the operations of grace (Ps. 33:6; Isa. 40:13, 14; 1 Cor. 12:4-11), and so worthy of worship, and it is given unto him.

"Baptism is administered in his name, equally as in the name of the Father and of the Son (Matthew 28:19).

"Prayer is made unto him; not only is he the Spirit of grace and of supplication, and who helps the saints under their infirmities in prayer, but he is prayed unto;

“the Lord”, that is, the Lord the Spirit, “direct your hearts”, &c. where all the three persons are mentioned as distinct (2 Thess. 3:5), so grace and peace, as they are wished and prayed for from God and Christ, so “from the Seven Spirits which are before the throne”; by which are meant the one Spirit of God so called, because of the fulness of divine perfections in him, and because of the perfection of his gifts and graces (Rev. 1:4, 5).

"Moreover his graces wrought in the saints, as they come from him, they are exercised on him, as faith, trust, and an holy confidence in him, that he who has begun the good work in them will finish it; and there is also the love of the Spirit, a cordial love of him, and a carefulness not to grieve him by whom they are sealed unto the day of redemption."

John Gill: Body of Practical Divinity - Christian Classics Ethereal Library

Looks to me like you are missing out on one third of The Bible and one third of the Christian Experience.

That is not God the Holy Spirit Leading you in that direction, friend.

 

[ChristB4Us]

Where is there anything about "instead of Christ" mentioned in the history of the World? (OH, I see what you were saying now about the RRC doing that in a way. Right).

The term antichrist as it is applied in scripture means :"instead of Christ" rather than "against Christ".

Yeah, the subject matter of Worship is mentioned to be done in spirit, which is in The Holy Spirit, so attempting to exclude The Holy Spirit in Worship means that no Worship may be effectually offered.

The Holy Spirit has been set to dwell in us to testify of the Son through us per John 15:26-27 & that has to include worship.

Everything the Holy Spirit says and does is to glorify the Son per verse 14 of John 16:13-15

So when we come to God the Father to worship Him in spirit and in truth, that is in according to the word of God per John 14:6 & John 5:23 as led by the Holy Spirit in us to do, thus worshipping God the Father in Spirit & in Truth by glorifying His Son.

And, as we see from the Bible, The Holy Spirit is to be Worshipped, Directly, not to the exclusion of God the Father and God the Son.

Then ask the Lord why when the churches focus on the Holy Spirit or the Trinity in worship, the holy laughter movement occurs? And then the next service, they invoke or address the Holy Spirit directly to come again and the phenomenon happens again as well as other manifestations of confusions which God is not the author of?

1 Corinthians 14:32 And the spirits of the prophets are subject to the prophets. 33 For God is not the author of confusion, but of peace, as in all churches of the saints.

Proverbs 25:26 A righteous man falling down before the wicked is as a troubled fountain, and a corrupt spring. 27 It is not good to eat much honey: so for men to search their own glory is not glory. 28 He that hath no rule over his own spirit is like a city that is broken down, and without walls.

2 Corinthians 11:2 For I am jealous over you with godly jealousy: for I have espoused you to one husband, that I may present you as a chaste virgin to Christ. 3 But I fear, lest by any means, as the serpent beguiled Eve through his subtilty, so your minds should be corrupted from the simplicity that is in Christ. 4 For if he that cometh preacheth another Jesus, whom we have not preached, or if ye receive another spirit, which ye have not received, or another gospel, which ye have not accepted, ye might well bear with him.

2 Corinthians 13:5 Examine yourselves, whether ye be in the faith; prove your own selves. Know ye not your own selves, how that Jesus Christ is in you, except ye be reprobates?

1 John 4:1Beloved, believe not every spirit, but try the spirits whether they are of God: because many false prophets are gone out into the world. 2 Hereby know ye the Spirit of God: Every spirit that confesseth that Jesus Christ is come in the flesh is of God: 3 And every spirit that confesseth not that Jesus Christ is come in the flesh is not of God: and this is that spirit of antichrist, whereof ye have heard that it should come; and even now already is it in the world. 4 Ye are of God, little children, and have overcome them: because greater is he that is in you, than he that is in the world.

I have recently decided that I am not a Baptist but rather just be known as a follower of Jesus Christ God be willing, and so probably should stop replying to my threads placed in the Baptist forum, unless the Admin does not mind it.

 

[Alan Dale Gross]

For the readers... Matthew 28:19 should be discerned since in the Book of Acts they only baptized in the name of Jesus Christ and so how some churches, like the Catholics, will baptize saying it like that as "in the name of the Father, Son, and Holy Ghost" how His disciples and the early church did the actual baptism in the name of Jesus Christ to be identified as a disciple of Jesus Christ should be noticed.

"Baptism, which is a solemn act of religious worship under the New Testament dispensation, is administered in his name; and his name stands first in the form of it, baptizing in the name of the Father”, &c. which signifies not only its being done by his authority and command, but the persons, by submission to it, devote themselves to him, profess to be his, and lay themselves hereby under an obligation to serve him; and because to do this in the name of a creature would be idolatry and irreligion, the apostle Paul was thankful that he had baptized no more of the Corinthians than he had, when he found they were for setting him up as the head of a party among them, lest they should think they were baptized in his name."

"Baptism is administered in Jesus` Name equally as in the Father’s “baptizing them in the name of the Father, and of the Son”, &c. and sometimes his name only is mentioned (Acts 10:48; 19:5)."

"Baptism is administered in God the Holy Spirit`s Name, equally as in the name of the Father and of the Son (Matthew 28:19)."

And there is nothing that differentiates the Administration of Baptism in Matthew, as Jesus was Commanding His First church assembly of His Disciples, who had all been baptized by the Authority of God, by the man sent to baptize, John the Baptist, to the Administration of Baptism by the Authority of God in Jesus` subsequent churches that came out of His first one in Jerusalem.

This is Jesus` Command to all of His churches:
"Go ye therefore, and teach all nations, baptizing them in the name of the Father, and of the Son, and of the Holy Ghost:"

Those who don`t claim to have the Authority of God to Baptise, or don`t know the Bible definition of the word, "church", don`t have to consider any of it. It`s not applicable to them in any way.
...

Now if any reader disagree with that, then explain and apply the warnings from Jesus in Matthew 7:13-27 & Luke 13:24-30 for how it is an offense to God to climb up any other way John 10:1

To think that they will find the Source of Eternal Salvation in any other but Jesus Christ is to try and `climb uo` another way. That is not a teaching regarding Offening in God in the procedure except able for Worship, but for Salvation.

That is another one that you are stuck in, as if it has any application to `Worship`, much less that it is some direct teaching on the subject of Worship. It never was and never will be.

If I am wrong about applying that warning towards not heeding the commandment of His invitation of John 14:6, for how we are to come to God the Father by,

I wasn`t going to say anything, but now that you brought it up, of course, you're wrong. The Way, The Truth, and The Life, is a teaching with regard to Salvation, and isn't suggesting Worship, toward any particular direction or not, in any way.

You like to think that in your mind, but alas, your mind which is afflicted by the curse of the Fall of Adam is capable of assuming words are in the Scriptures which are not and it is wrong to do that and we will be wrong when we do; especially by doing that to a number of Scriptures, to `think` some big Bible teaching is there that we `THINK`we see, when it is just a figment of our imagination that we have dreamed up, repeatedly.

It just a wrong error that has been made up.

1 "Let not your heart be troubled: ye believe in God, believe also in me.

2 "In my Father's house are many mansions: if it were not so, I would have told you. I go to prepare a place for you.

3 "And if I go and prepare a place for you, I will come again, and receive you unto myself; that where I am, there ye may be also.

4 "And whither I go ye know, and the way ye know."

The Way, the Truth, and the Life.

5 "Thomas saith unto him, Lord, we know not whither thou goest; and how can we know the way?

6 "Jesus saith unto him, I am the way, the truth, and the life: no man cometh unto the Father, but by me."

then what is the iniquity in Matthew 7:13-27 & Luke 13:24-30 other than pointing to some other way to come to God the Father by "instead of Christ".

They are pointing to the "iniquity" of trying to come any other way FOR SALVATION other than to Jesus Christ, the Savour.

The topic of Worship is not contained within those verses you cited.

 

[Alan Dale Gross]

The term antichrist as it is applied in scripture means :"instead of Christ" rather than "against Christ".

Do you have any kind of a source for this idea in the World of dictionaries, Lexicons, Commentaries, or other literature, anywhere?

You have taken the poetic license of adding it into numerous passages, to arrive at your conclusions, which is bad enough, but is there even a definition for this thinking somewhere, besides The Bible, because we know that is not what the Scriptures say.

Everything the Holy Spirit says and does is to glorify the Son per verse 14 of John 16:13-15

And to exclude The Holy Spirit from our Worship of Him is not what that verse is about, at all.

"For He shall not speak of Himself", is exactly the same position as Christ, the Son holds,

"in that Jesus spoke not of Himself in opposition to the Father,

"so the Spirit speaks not of Himself in opposition either to the Father, or the Son,

"but in Perfect Agreement with Both;
The Holy Spirit being, as of the Same Nature and Essence, Power and Glory, so of the same Mind, Understanding, and Will;

"and as They Agreed and Wrought Jointly and Harmoniously, in the Works of Nature and Providence, so in the Economy of Grace and Salvation."

John 16 Gill's Exposition

Then ask the Lord why when the churches focus on the Holy Spirit or the Trinity in worship, the holy laughter movement occurs?

It doesn`t. That `Holy laughter` thing has nothing to do with being a manifestation of the Holy Spirit, it is simply the giggly result of the embassasment of being publicly humiliated by someone imposeing on another person`s personal space, causing them to laugh uncomfortably, in the flesh like a little child, or, on the one hand, someone willfully jumping onto a false religious bandwagon to pretend to join in on that prank, in the flesh, neither of which are found to have a chapter and verse.

After all, don't these same folks, who I have often experienced at times, to be mighty Christain Warriors, in Faith, Belief, memorizing and `working the Word`, AND TO PRAY FOR ME AND OTHERS, have among their teachings the idea that they have the Gift of the Holy Spirit to Miraculously heal the physical body?

Then, why do think that we do not see them with their `Holy laughter` down at Saint Jude`s Hospital for Children, and doing their business for God through the Power of the Holy Spirit, there?

Or, why do we see so many of them wearing glasses?

Seems odd and wrong to me, to profess something that can`t be demonstrated.

But, I have personally profited and in my ministry from many of them who are children of God.

I'm just not going to lock arm and arm with them on sharing their indefensible teachings.

And then the next service, they invoke or address the Holy Spirit directly to come again and the phenomenon happens again as well as other manifestations of confusions which God is not the author of?

Yep, the confusion is not of God and is the flesh.

One false teaching needs to be repented of and abandoned, not entertained to lead to more fleshy activities.

However, if I may, I would not like to be named as a proponent of not Worshipping the Holy Spirit, based on some antidotes as weak as attributing laughing to the Holy Spirit, as "a time of refreshing in the Lord". If the moment `Holy Spirit laughing` is generated or encouraged or comes about somehow, is challenged and resisted by taking a second glance and thought at it, to say, "I`m going to die to my flesh and see if am Spiritually Compelled and Forced to laugh", then, it goes away. Poof. It`s not funny, as you no doubt believe very strongly.

1 John 4:1 Beloved, believe not every spirit, but try the spirits whether they are of God: because many false prophets are gone out into the world.

2 Hereby know ye the Spirit of God: Every spirit that confesseth that Jesus Christ is come in the flesh is of God

These verses are pertinent to an overall disscussion of the challenging the spasmodic fits of `Holy laughter`, observable by the flesh of some, but they are not a president for the idea that God should not be Worshipped, as we preceive Him expressed in the Person of God the Holy Spirit.

The Holy Spirit is God. To believe that and not appreciate Him as One to be Worshipped doesn't fall in line too well with even common sence, much less Biblical Revealtion.

...

I have recently decided that I am not a Baptist

Not a wonderful, Glorious thing, but appropriate. What you have arrived at and settled on to profess and defend is not Baptist Doctrine and, as a Bible believing Baptist, I can not see it in The Bible, or as being Bible Doctrine.

The vast majority of all those that call themselves Baptists might deside that they ought to do the same, if they had the least idea of what a Baptist is.

The most important thing about establishing oneself as a Baptist is that we don't have one thing to offer a lost and dying World apart from what has been gained under submission to The Lordship of Christ.

That Trust in the Holy Spirit to Lead us into all Truth, is the One we are Worshipping that Enables us to come under the submission to The Lordship of Jesus Christ.