ONE Gospel or Two? In all of time.

[BobRyan]

We appeal to the bible as the Supreme authority, you to Ellen White, so how can baal and God agree?

I see you appeal to name-calling now and then.

Do you appeal to the Bible to make your case? Often?

If so - I think it would be great to give that a try here.

in Christ,

Bob

 

[BobRyan]

Moses and the law came 430 years after salvation by faith was instituted with Abraham.

Gal 3:17 What I am saying is this: the Law, which came four hundred and thirty years later, does not invalidate a covenant previously ratified by God, so as to nullify the promise.

So a Biblical understanding shows salvation by faith instituted (based on faith in the gospel of Jesus Christ), and Abraham made righteous by his faith in Christ prior to there being any law in existence, and even prior to being circumcised (Rom 4:10), so it clear that salvation by grace through faith is apart from the law. The law was put in place to point us back to faith.

The promise in Galatians 3 and 4 is of Christ and the covenant of faith. In Galatians 3-4 Paul says there were two covenants; 1)The Works of the Law and 2)Faith. In Galatians 4 he demonstrates that even The Law says to cast out the Law because those who inherit based on The Law would not be heirs with those who were saved by faith.

The Law is how Jesus qualified as righteous, having inherited death because of the curse (Romans 5:12). He was the only one who never sinned.

So there was only ever 1 Gospel.... the gospel of Jesus Christ.

Excellent Bible-based point.

Thanks for posting it.

in Christ,

Bob

 

[Yeshua1]

Excellent Bible-based point.

Thanks for posting it.

in Christ,

Bob

Jesus 'qualified" die to him being God, and thus perfect in all his ways, and the law NEVER was given by god to qualify any to get saved by it, it was only a stopgap measure, until Jesus came to usher in the New Covenant foretold by the prophets messiah would bring in when he came!

 

[BobRyan]

Originally Posted by Gup20
Moses and the law came 430 years after salvation by faith was instituted with Abraham.

Gal 3:17 What I am saying is this: the Law, which came four hundred and thirty years later, does not invalidate a covenant previously ratified by God, so as to nullify the promise.

So a Biblical understanding shows salvation by faith instituted (based on faith in the gospel of Jesus Christ), and Abraham made righteous by his faith in Christ prior to there being any law in existence, and even prior to being circumcised (Rom 4:10), so it clear that salvation by grace through faith is apart from the law. The law was put in place to point us back to faith.

The promise in Galatians 3 and 4 is of Christ and the covenant of faith. In Galatians 3-4 Paul says there were two covenants; 1)The Works of the Law and 2)Faith. In Galatians 4 he demonstrates that even The Law says to cast out the Law because those who inherit based on The Law would not be heirs with those who were saved by faith.

The Law is how Jesus qualified as righteous, having inherited death because of the curse (Romans 5:12). He was the only one who never sinned.

So there was only ever 1 Gospel.... the gospel of Jesus Christ

Excellent Bible-based point.

Thanks for posting it.

in Christ,

Bob

Jesus 'qualified" die to him being God, and thus perfect in all his ways, and the law NEVER was given by god to qualify any to get saved by it

That much of your statement is true.

, it was only a stopgap measure, until Jesus came to usher in the New Covenant foretold by the prophets messiah would bring in when he came!

The Law was given to condemn sinners and point to our need of salvation - our need of a savior - as both Romans 3 and Galatians 3 point out.

To this very day John says "SIN is transgression of the LAW" 1John 3:4.

It remains - to condemn the lost and point out their need of Christ.

And it remains for the saved according to the NEW Covenant in Jer 31:31-33 as the LAW of God "written on the mind and on the heart". Heb 8.

It is what the Baptist Confession of Faith 1689 calls the "Moral law of God" - the "TEN Commandments" given to Adam in Eden and still applicable to the saints today.

We both knew that - right?

Those who oppose the TEN Commandment Law of God given to Adam in Eden and still binding on the saints today - are stuck at the point of a Baptist-in-house debate with their own Baptist Confession of Faith 1689 and with C.H. Spurgeon who affirmed that confession of faith, and with D.L. Moody who also confirmed the points raised there, and with the Westminster Confession of faith and with Andy Stanley who claims that the TEN Commandments still apply to Christians.

So long before they get to the point of debating this against R.C. Sproul and against Seventh-day Adventists - the Baptists are stuck in their own in-house debate on that point.

If the idea is to invite non-SDAs like me or R.C. Sproul etc to join in that in-house debate - so beit - but it would not be wise to position it as if the Baptists are all on one side of that issue and only non-Baptists take the other more-Biblical side.

in Christ,

Bob

 

[Yeshua1]

That much of your statement is true.




The Law was given to condemn sinners and point to our need of salvation - our need of a savior - as both Romans 3 and Galatians 3 point out.

To this very day John says "SIN is transgression of the LAW" 1John 3:4.

It remains - to condemn the lost and point out their need of Christ.

And it remains for the saved according to the NEW Covenant in Jer 31:31-33 as the LAW of God "written on the mind and on the heart". Heb 8.

It is what the Baptist Confession of Faith 1689 calls the "Moral law of God" - the "TEN Commandments" given to Adam in Eden and still applicable to the saints today.

We both knew that - right?

Those who oppose the TEN Commandment Law of God given to Adam in Eden and still binding on the saints today - are stuck at the point of a Baptist-in-house debate with their own Baptist Confession of Faith 1689 and with C.H. Spurgeon who affirmed that confession of faith, and with D.L. Moody who also confirmed the points raised there, and with the Westminster Confession of faith and with Andy Stanley who claims that the TEN Commandments still apply to Christians.

So long before they get to the point of debating this against R.C. Sproul and against Seventh-day Adventists - the Baptists are stuck in their own in-house debate on that point.

If the idea is to invite non-SDAs like me or R.C. Sproul etc to join in that in-house debate - so beit - but it would not be wise to position it as if the Baptists are all on one side of that issue and only non-Baptists take the other more-Biblical side.

in Christ,

Bob

Great as all those men are that you listed here...

Would think Jesus trumps them all as to what it is to become saved...

Jesus is the end of the law to all who receive and belive into His name...

was paul right or wrong?

 

[BobRyan]

Great as all those men are that you listed here...

Would think Jesus trumps them all as to what it is to become saved...

Agreed.

How wonderful then that Jesus' own affirmation of His own Law in Matt 5 is echoed by them.

As Paul notes - the Jews made up their own ideas about the Law of God -

They "imagined" it to be a law to be used for gaining salvation - as if no savior was needed.

Have you noticed that yet - in your reading of the Bible?

in Christ,

Bob

 

[BobRyan]

[FONT=&quot]The Jews imagined their own uses for God’s Laws – and their own. They imagined that for the lost the Law of God was “to justify” and it was for becoming righteous – apart from the Messiah, apart from being saved by grace through faith.[/FONT]

[FONT=&quot]Romans 10
4For Christ is the end of the law for righteousness to every one that believeth.
The Jews believing in the law to justify tried to establish their own righteousness

The Ten Commandments were never a means for a lost person to become saved.

I think we can see that in Galatians 3 as well as Romans 10:4.
God does not say to the lost "IF you LOVE Me KEEP My Commandments".
He only says that to the already-saved born-again Christian.

Paul does not say to the lost sinner "What matters is KEEPING the Commandments of God" in 1Cor 7:19. He only says it to the saints in the Church.

Christ does not say of the lost "From Sabbath to Sabbath" in that new earth of Rev 21 " shall all mankind come before Me to Worship". Rather that is only true of the saved saints.

1John 2:3-6 does not say that the lost need to walk as Jesus walked and keep his commandments if they want to tell the truth about being lost.

Paul does not say as a lost person "Do WE then make VOID the LAW of God by our faith? God forbid!! In fact we ESTABLISH the Law of God" Rom 3:31[/FONT]