One More Question on Obama

[Brother Bob]

Bob and Fred Phelps are also both English names. You kin?

Not sure, whats it to you???

BBob,

 

[KenH]

Bob and Fred Phelps are also both English names. You kin?

He shoots. He scores!!!! :thumbs:

 

[JamieinNH]

Bob and Fred Phelps are also both English names. You kin?

Don't expect Bob to give you anything other then the run around. His position is off on this one and he knows it, but yet won't admit it.

Jamie

 

[righteousdude2]

My Name Has Changed

Irrighteousdude2?

:tonofbricks:

See....this is what I find offensive with this board in general. It almost always digresses to name calling and insults when some parties can't make a logical argument to support their idea or point. This is truly a shame.

Like BroBob said, OBAMA'S name carries with it a negative vibe [Bob didn't use these exact words] that causes people to think of Obama as a Muslim. If those who convert to Islam can change their name [maybe they have to, I don't know?], why doesn't the Muslim change their name when they come to Jesus?

As for your comment about my name [Irrighteousdude2], the answer is "No!" :thumbs:

 

[JamieinNH]

Besides, aren't we all descended from Adam and Eve and, thus, kin?

Yes, we are all kin. Bob is even kin to Osama, Obama and me.

Jamie

 

[JamieinNH]

See....this is what I find offensive with this board in general. It almost always digresses to name calling and insults when some parties can't make a logical argument to support their idea or point. This is truly a shame.

Like BroBob said, OBAMA'S name carries with it a negative vibe [Bob didn't use these exact words] that causes people to think of Obama as a Muslim. If those who convert to Islam can change their name [maybe they have to, I don't know?], why doesn't the Muslim change their name when they come to Jesus?

As for your comment about my name [Irrighteousdude2], the answer is "No!" :thumbs:

What I find is people will come to the debate forum, ask a question and want a response, and then when asked a question, they totaly ignore it.

Me thinks you didn't want a discussion, you wanted support for your position or question.

Jamie

 

[Brother Bob]

You are rather irresponsible with the use of innuendo.

Maybe you are kin to some nefarious person? Have you ever checked your genealogy or all of your relatives who are currently alive?

Besides, aren't we all descended from Adam and Eve and, thus, kin?

So, that makes us all irresponsible, right????

BBob,

 

[Brother Bob]

Don't expect Bob to give you anything other then the run around. His position is off on this one and he knows it, but yet won't admit it.

Jamie

You two dudes need to read the whole thread and see who takes your position and who takes ours. Or just listen to the whole world, Oh, I know you are right and the whole world is wrong.

:BangHead:
BBob,

 

[KenH]

So, that makes us all irresponsible, right????

I reckon.

Romans 5:12 (ESV)
Therefore, just as sin came into the world through one man, and death through sin, and so death spread to all men because all sinned—

 

[Brother Bob]

What I find is people will come to the debate forum, ask a question and want a response, and then when asked a question, they totaly ignore it.

Me thinks you didn't want a discussion, you wanted support for your position or question.

Jamie

I think he got a lot of support even though he only ask a question. You didn't have to join in, but chose to.

BBob,

 

[righteousdude2]

Me Thinks You Wrong, Dude

What I find is people will come to the debate forum, ask a question and want a response, and then when asked a question, they totaly ignore it.

Me thinks you didn't want a discussion, you wanted support for your position or question.

Jamie

Me thinks that you are way off base on this one. I wanted, and got good discussion, including those from you. I don't thinks I posted to get support for me ideas. But thanks for your opinion, it was worth putting out there, because there are many posts that me thinks are posted to get just that: Support for theirs ideas.

Shalom :type:

 

[USN2Pulpit]

Wouldn't it behoove [be in the best interest of] Obama to make his claim to Christianity more real by changing his Muslim name...

In all fairness, this is not really a muslim name - just because the one that named him is muslim. It's an regional/cultural name - not too uncommon for that in the mideast. I have known a few men named Barak. The name has a meaning in traditional Farsi and would mean the same thing muslim or not. It seems that right now, all arabic names are unfortunately associated with Islam. I appreciate the concern, but changing a person's name doesn't make any difference.

Having said that, I'll say that I still have trouble with this candidate, but his name isn't even on the scope of my concerns.

 

[StefanM]

I hope that it's not the case, but this thread is looking like it's full of xenophobia and subtle racism.

Asking a man to change his name because you are uncomfortable with the fact that his name is not a good, White, Anglo-Saxon, Protestant name is completely unreasonable.

His name is not a "Muslim" name. Only the either a) misinformed or b) racist opinion that all Arabic-sounding names must be Muslim would lead to this conclusion. If his name brings up thoughts of Osama bin Laden, we should take care not to assume anything because of this fact. Sen. Obama's name does not mean he is a Muslim or a terrorist any more than Osama bin Laden's name means that he's a senator from Illinois.

People should not be expected to change their names based on other people with similar (or identical) names.

Judas who betrayed the Lord had the same name as the author of Jude (anglicized version of "Judas").

Apollos had a name derived from a Greek "god," but he didn't change his name. God did mighty things through him.

There are other examples, but you get the point.

If you oppose Sen. Obama, do so legitmately--by opposing his positions, not his heritage.

 

[Brother Bob]

I hope that it's not the case, but this thread is looking like it's full of xenophobia and subtle racism.

Asking a man to change his name because you are uncomfortable with the fact that his name is not a good, White, Anglo-Saxon, Protestant name is completely unreasonable.

His name is not a "Muslim" name. Only the either a) misinformed or b) racist opinion that all Arabic-sounding names must be Muslim would lead to this conclusion. If his name brings up thoughts of Osama bin Laden, we should take care not to assume anything because of this fact. Sen. Obama's name does not mean he is a Muslim or a terrorist any more than Osama bin Laden's name means that he's a senator from Illinois.

People should not be expected to change their names based on other people with similar (or identical) names.

Judas who betrayed the Lord had the same name as the author of Jude (anglicized version of "Judas").

Apollos had a name derived from a Greek "god," but he didn't change his name. God did mighty things through him.

There are other examples, but you get the point.

If you oppose Sen. Obama, do so legitmately--by opposing his positions, not his heritage.

I wonder if being named by a muslim father "Obama" would mean that he had named you with a muslim name? It really is far fetched to not think it is a muslim name, now that is one for the records. Just curious, it could be Irish..........

BBob,

 

[StefanM]

I wonder if being named by a muslim father "Obama" would mean that he had named you with a muslim name? It really is far fetched to not think it is a muslim name, now that is one for the records. Just curious, it could be Irish..........

BBob,

"Muslim" is not a language. The origins of "Barack" have already been discussed. Being named by a Muslim does not make the name inherently Muslim.

 

[Brother Bob]

"Muslim" is not a language. The origins of "Barack" have already been discussed. Being named by a Muslim does not make the name inherently Muslim.

Even Barack does not deny that He had a Muslim father when he was named. You are trying to defend something that no one is making evil, just truth.
I do not know of anyone who said "Muslim" is a language. It is a religion though.

BBob,

 

[StefanM]

Even Barack does not deny that He had a Muslim father when he was named. You are trying to defend something that no one is making evil, just truth.
I do not know of anyone who said "Muslim" is a language. It is a religion though.

BBob,

Yes, it is a religion. But the religion of one's father does not necessarily make one's name from that religion. You are using the term in a sense that is inappropriate. As a matter of fact, you asked facetiously if the name were Irish--a term defined by an ethnic group of people. "Muslim" cannot fall under that category. The only reason you are making this an issue is that the Arabic-speaking world is predominately Muslim. Had his father named him "Joseph" it would not be an issue, but, according to your logic, it could still be a "Muslim" name because a Muslim father gave it to him.

 

[Brother Bob]

Yes, it is a religion. But the religion of one's father does not necessarily make one's name from that religion. You are using the term in a sense that is inappropriate. As a matter of fact, you asked facetiously if the name were Irish--a term defined by an ethnic group of people. "Muslim" cannot fall under that category. The only reason you are making this an issue is that the Arabic-speaking world is predominately Muslim. Had his father named him "Joseph" it would not be an issue, but, according to your logic, it could still be a "Muslim" name because a Muslim father gave it to him.

I am not, I am repeating Obama himself mostly. You are trying to defend something that Obama does not deny.
I wonder why?

Obama's own words:


“In Indonesia, I had spent two years at a Muslim school,” he wrote in his first memoir, “Dreams from my Father.” “The teacher wrote to tell my mother that I made faces during Koranic studies.”
Obama — whose father, stepfather, brother and grandfather were Muslims — explained his own first name, Barack, in “Dreams”: “It means ‘Blessed.’ In Arabic. My grandfather was a Muslim.”
In his second memoir, “The Audacity of Hope,” Obama added: “Although my father had been raised a Muslim, by the time he met my mother he was a confirmed atheist.”
Still, when his father, a black Kenyan named Barack Obama Sr., died in 1982, “the family wanted a Muslim burial,” Obama quoted his brother, Roy, as saying in “Dreams.”


BBob,

 

[preachinjesus]

One of the greatest Missiologists of our time is named Emir Caner...perhaps we should say he is nothing but a Muslim and wants to ruin the name of Christ by not changing his name.

This is such a sad conversation.

 

[freeatlast]

Then let me ask you this. Using your logic that abortion should between the mother and her doctor (personal choice) and not the government then it should also be up to the parent if she/he simply gets tired of their children and she/he drowns them in the tub like André Yates did in Texas or like the couple who killed their daughter and put her in a container and left her on an island in Galveston Texas or like the guy who recently stomped on the head of his 3 month son killing him and throwing him out along the road for what ever reason, correct? All are personal choice and there should not be laws protecting the innocent so the government should stay out of it correct?

A Christian can support candidates who think that the government should stay out of this private decision. That is not the same thing as supporting abortion.

I don't want the government regulating caloric intake. However, this does not mean that I support obesity.

Personally, I am opposed to all abortions for any reason. I would like to see Roe v. Wade overturned. This would return our nation to the situation that existed before that decision - each state made its own laws concerning abortion.

Also, abortion is one issue among a plethora of issues that I base my voting on. Abortion does not drive my vote. Abortion being legal does not mean that any abortion has to take place as abortions are not mandated in these United States. The responsibility for an abortion lies with the pregnant woman who agrees to an abortion procedure and the doctor who performs the abortion procedure - no one else.

Christians hold views all over the political spectrum. I have no interest in badmouthing a Christian who holds a different political view on an issue than I do. I certainly will not question a person's relationship with God over politics.