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Manie Amari

Manie Amari

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A Mystified (Confused/perplexed) Herod (vs. 7-9)



Herod hears of the works of Jesus and wonders if he is truly the Messiah or the return of John the Baptist from the dead. Herod desires to see Jesus for himself but we are not told that Jesus made any effort to see him.



Q: What are we to gain from the fact that Herod desired to see Jesus, but Jesus made no effort to see him?
 
Wesley Briggman

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God is consistent and predictable based on His revelation?

1Pe 3:12 KJV - For the eyes of the Lord [are] over the righteous, and his ears [are open] unto their prayers: but the face of the Lord [is] against them that do evil.
 
Reynolds

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Manie Amari said:
A Mystified (Confused/perplexed) Herod (vs. 7-9)



Herod hears of the works of Jesus and wonders if he is truly the Messiah or the return of John the Baptist from the dead. Herod desires to see Jesus for himself but we are not told that Jesus made any effort to see him.



Q: What are we to gain from the fact that Herod desired to see Jesus, but Jesus made no effort to see him?
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Jesus was not impressed with worldly position or status. He was curious, not a true seeker.
 
Manie Amari

Manie Amari

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Wesley Briggman said:
God is consistent and predictable based on His revelation?

1Pe 3:12 KJV - For the eyes of the Lord [are] over the righteous, and his ears [are open] unto their prayers: but the face of the Lord [is] against them that do evil.
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Could you simplify your answer for me in relation to the question?
 
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RighteousnessTemperance&

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Manie Amari said:
A Mystified (Confused/perplexed) Herod (vs. 7-9)
Herod hears of the works of Jesus and wonders if he is truly the Messiah or the return of John the Baptist from the dead. Herod desires to see Jesus for himself but we are not told that Jesus made any effort to see him.
Q: What are we to gain from the fact that Herod desired to see Jesus, but Jesus made no effort to see him?
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Are you aware of who the Herods were? Herod the Great tried to kill the Messiah as a baby. This son of his, Herod Antipas, beheaded John the Baptist and wanted to kill Jesus.

Also, note that the popular concept of Messiah was not at all God's.
 
kyredneck

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Manie Amari said:
Q: What are we to gain from the fact that Herod desired to see Jesus, but Jesus made no effort to see him?
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That there is no charge to evangelize the tares. Matthew 13:24-30 In fact:

6 Give not that which is holy unto the dogs, neither cast your pearls before the swine, lest haply they trample them under their feet, and turn and rend you. Mt 7
 
Scarlett O.

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Manie Amari said:
Herod hears of the works of Jesus and wonders if he is truly the Messiah or the return of John the Baptist from the dead. Herod desires to see Jesus for himself but we are not told that Jesus made any effort to see him.

Q: What are we to gain from the fact that Herod desired to see Jesus, but Jesus made no effort to see him?
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To answer that question, you have to delve into WHY Herod was "desirous" to see Jesus as the scripture says. It says in Luke 23 that Herod had "long" desired to see Jesus because of what he had heard about him [implication miracles] and he wanted to see a miracle.

Herod wanted to be entertained. Jesus was not in the entertainment business.

When Jesus was finally brought to Herod as part of his many trials, he performed no miracles and Herod asked him lots of questions [presumably about how they are performed] and Jesus wouldn't answer.

The desire that Herod had to see Jesus was not the desire that blind Bartimaeus had or the Centurion soldier or even the rich young ruler had. Herod's desire was worldly.
 
Manie Amari

Manie Amari

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Scarlett O. said:
To answer that question, you have to delve into WHY Herod was "desirous" to see Jesus as the scripture says. It says in Luke 23 that Herod had "long" desired to see Jesus because of what he had heard about him [implication miracles] and he wanted to see a miracle.

Herod wanted to be entertained. Jesus was not in the entertainment business.

When Jesus was finally brought to Herod as part of his many trials, he performed no miracles and Herod asked him lots of questions [presumably about how they are performed] and Jesus wouldn't answer.

The desire that Herod had to see Jesus was not the desire that blind Bartimaeus had or the Centurion soldier or even the rich young ruler had. Herod's desire was worldly.
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Very direct and in-depth explanation. Thank you.
 
HankD

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Romans 9:15 For he saith to Moses, I will have mercy on whom I will have mercy, and I will have compassion on whom I will have compassion.
 
Wesley Briggman

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37818 said:
was Herod's interest to know and do God's will in this?
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The question is not does an individual know God, but does God know the individual.

Mat 7:23 KJV - And then will I profess unto them, I never knew you: depart from me, ye that work iniquity.

Do God's will in what?
 
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MartyF

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Maybe an English translation would help you.

Luke 23:6-12 NLT
[6] "Oh, is he a Galilean?" Pilate asked. [7] When they said that he was, Pilate sent him to Herod Antipas, because Galilee was under Herod's jurisdiction, and Herod happened to be in Jerusalem at the time. [8] Herod was delighted at the opportunity to see Jesus, because he had heard about him and had been hoping for a long time to see him perform a miracle. [9] He asked Jesus question after question, but Jesus refused to answer. [10] Meanwhile, the leading priests and the teachers of religious law stood there shouting their accusations. [11] Then Herod and his soldiers began mocking and ridiculing Jesus. Finally, they put a royal robe on him and sent him back to Pilate. [12] (Herod and Pilate, who had been enemies before, became friends that day.)

Jesus was sent to Herod. Herod did not want to see Jesus. He wanted to see a miracle. When he did see Jesus, he ended up mocking and ridiculing him.

Are you asking why Jesus didn’t see Herod before the day of his crucifixion?

Look at the people Jesus visited. Did they include the rich and powerful?
 
37818

37818

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Wesley Briggman said:
The question is not does an individual know God, but does God know the individual.

Mat 7:23 KJV - And then will I profess unto them, I never knew you: depart from me, ye that work iniquity.

Do God's will in what?
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God's will in the matter of trusting Him rather than in our own self will. ". . . Not every that saith unto me, Lord, Lord, shall enter into the kingdom of heaven; but he that doeth the will of my Father which is in heaven. . . ." -- Matthew 7:21-23. ". . . And Jesus called a little child unto him, and set him in the midst of them, And said, Verily I say unto you, Except ye be converted, and become as little children, ye shall not enter into the kingdom of heaven. . . ." -- Matthew 18:2-3. John 3:3-4. John 7:17.​
 
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MartyF

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Found this passage which may help too.

As Jesus was crossing Gallilee,

Mark 8:15 NLT
[15] As they were crossing the lake, Jesus warned them, "Watch out! Beware of the yeast of the Pharisees and of Herod."
 
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