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One verse doctrine
- Thread starter Salty
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quantumfaith
Active Member
My "follow up" question, is this, where do we set the limit on the number of scriptural references in which the framing of a doctrine is acceptable?
convicted1
Guest
Joshua 24:15 comes to mind...
OldRegular
Well-Known Member
I can think of one prevalent doctrine [unmentionable under pain of ?] that does not have a single verse to support it.
OldRegular
Well-Known Member
Acts 2:38, 39
38. Then Peter said unto them, Repent, and be baptized every one of you in the name of Jesus Christ for the remission of sins, and ye shall receive the gift of the Holy Ghost.
39. For the promise is unto you, and to your children, and to all that are afar off, even as many as the Lord our God shall call.
I expect baptismal regeneration is based on verse 38 and infant baptism is based on verse 39 though they all conveniently forget the last half of verse 39: and to all that are afar off, even as many as the Lord our God shall call.
38. Then Peter said unto them, Repent, and be baptized every one of you in the name of Jesus Christ for the remission of sins, and ye shall receive the gift of the Holy Ghost.
39. For the promise is unto you, and to your children, and to all that are afar off, even as many as the Lord our God shall call.
I expect baptismal regeneration is based on verse 38 and infant baptism is based on verse 39 though they all conveniently forget the last half of verse 39: and to all that are afar off, even as many as the Lord our God shall call.
We look to scripture for clarity as understood through the person of Jesus. Then we see how the historical church fathers and mothers used, understood and applied these particular scriptures as led by the Holy Spirit.
You won't find Jesus handling snakes, you don't see the early church fathers and mothers handling snakes and any historical basis can't be found until the 20th century. One verse that is used, is in a section of text that is most likely not original to Mark and the other one in Luke seems (to me anyway) to be addressing power over Satan in a metaphorical sense.
There simply isn't enough to justify in even the least way, snake handling as anything more than a parlor trick, wrapped in religious fervor.
You won't find Jesus handling snakes, you don't see the early church fathers and mothers handling snakes and any historical basis can't be found until the 20th century. One verse that is used, is in a section of text that is most likely not original to Mark and the other one in Luke seems (to me anyway) to be addressing power over Satan in a metaphorical sense.
There simply isn't enough to justify in even the least way, snake handling as anything more than a parlor trick, wrapped in religious fervor.
You have been provided immunity of any pain....
The 'doctrine' that says "homosexuals can be saved" comes from one controversial passage:
1Co 6:9-11
9 Know ye not that the unrighteous shall not inherit the kingdom of God? Be not deceived:neither fornicators, nor idolaters, nor adulterers, nor effeminate, nor abusers of themselves with mankind,
10 Nor thieves, nor covetous, nor drunkards, nor revilers, nor extortioners, shall inherit the kingdom of God.
11 And such were some of you:but ye are washed, but ye are sanctified, but ye are justified in the name of the Lord Jesus, and by the Spirit of our God.
I'm gonna quote the lyrics from RATT's "Round and Round":
"Tie on our belts
ABUSE OURSELVES
get in the way,
we'll put you on the shelf"
This refers, among many self-abuses, to Heroin abuse.
But some would try to make this passage say: "men abusing other men, sexually", which it does not.
Rom.1 says they know full well they deserve the death penalty, and ICor 6:9-11 is often used to try to overturn God's command.
What was an abomination, in 2000b.c. , is one in 2014 a.d.
1Co 6:9-11
9 Know ye not that the unrighteous shall not inherit the kingdom of God? Be not deceived:neither fornicators, nor idolaters, nor adulterers, nor effeminate, nor abusers of themselves with mankind,
10 Nor thieves, nor covetous, nor drunkards, nor revilers, nor extortioners, shall inherit the kingdom of God.
11 And such were some of you:but ye are washed, but ye are sanctified, but ye are justified in the name of the Lord Jesus, and by the Spirit of our God.
I'm gonna quote the lyrics from RATT's "Round and Round":
"Tie on our belts
ABUSE OURSELVES
get in the way,
we'll put you on the shelf"
This refers, among many self-abuses, to Heroin abuse.
But some would try to make this passage say: "men abusing other men, sexually", which it does not.
Rom.1 says they know full well they deserve the death penalty, and ICor 6:9-11 is often used to try to overturn God's command.
What was an abomination, in 2000b.c. , is one in 2014 a.d.
OldRegular
Well-Known Member
I was once told on a Forum full of Roman Catholics that I was "invincibly ignorant". A non RC told me that mean't I got a special dispensation from the pope. But until you reach that exhaled position Salty my lips are sealed on this BB!
thisnumbersdisconnected
New Member
Just so I get this straight, you're saying that people who practice homosexuality can't be saved? Is that right?
Greektim
Well-Known Member
I think it is assuming an unrepentant homosexual.
thisnumbersdisconnected
New Member
That covers a lot of territory. Does that mean someone who has been saved but returns to homosexual behavior -- like an alcoholic falling off the wagon -- forfeits his/her salvation? For that matter, how about the alcoholic wagon-faller. How is his/her sin less than the homosexual? All sin is an abomination, not just certain varieties.
No, God's saying: Rom 1:26-30
26 For this cause God gave them up unto vile affections:for even their women did change the natural use into that which is against nature:
27 And likewise also the men, leaving the natural use of the woman, burned in their lust one toward another; men with men working that which is unseemly, and receiving in themselves that recompence of their error which was meet.
28 And even as they did not like to retain God in their knowledge, God gave them over to a reprobate mind, to do those things which are not convenient;
and...
Rom 1:32
32 Who knowing the judgment of God, that they which commit such things are worthy of death, not only do the same, but have pleasure in them that do them.
And a long time before that, this:
Lev 20:13
13 If a man also lie with mankind, as he lieth with a woman, both of them have committed an abomination:they shall surely be put to death; their blood shall be upon them.
And in case you're not a lawyer, reprobate is defined here:
Jer 6:30
30 Reprobate silver shall men call them, because the Lord hath rejected them.
quantumfaith
Active Member
so do you favor putting them to death?
well, John states to us that if any sinner professes jesus has saved them, yet continues to live exactly as before, no evidence, nor even any convuction/repentence, even denying that its wrong behaviour, is THAT kind of salvation the Gospel one?
then the grace of God can save and redeem and change any kind of sinner EXCEPT for homosexual/lesbian ones then?
OldRegular
Well-Known Member
God will bring His Elect to Salvation in Jesus Christ. That is a Biblical truth.