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prophet

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then the grace of God can save and redeem and change any kind of sinner EXCEPT for homosexual/lesbian ones then?

Don't put words in my mouth.
Has anyone ever gone to Hell? Couldn't God's grace have spared them?

See, 2 can play at that game, but is is a game.

Sinners go to Hell, because they reject God's sacrifice, and in doing so, reject Him.
Reprobates have no more chance, by definition, to repent.

On an individual basis, no one can tell when a certain individual is reprobate, other than the outward manifestation of "leaving nature" for homosexuality.

None of this excuses our society, for discontinuing the execution of deviants. At one time, Sodomy brought the death penalty in 17 states, in the US.
 

Yeshua1

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Don't put words in my mouth.
Has anyone ever gone to Hell? Couldn't God's grace have spared them?

See, 2 can play at that game, but is is a game.

Sinners go to Hell, because they reject God's sacrifice, and in doing so, reject Him.
Reprobates have no more chance, by definition, to repent.

On an individual basis, no one can tell when a certain individual is reprobate, other than the outward manifestation of "leaving nature" for homosexuality.

None of this excuses our society, for discontinuing the execution of deviants. At one time, Sodomy brought the death penalty in 17 states, in the US.

Are you saying that God cannot save a homosexual/lesbian then?

If they claim to have been saved by Jesus, and have life styles reflecting some degree of changing, with desire to keep on maturing, would that mean they were saved and changed by grace of God then?
 
well, John states to us that if any sinner professes jesus has saved them, yet continues to live exactly as before, no evidence, nor even any convuction/repentence, even denying that its wrong behaviour, is THAT kind of salvation the Gospel one?
That's not the scenario I painted. Just as with alcoholics, drug addicts or disordered gamblers, those who've lived in the gay lifestyle will relapse. That is NOT so-called "persistent sin," but a relapse.
 
No, God's saying
No, He didn't. You have misinterpreted that verse. That does not assume relapse, or "backsliding," or any other such thing. It is for the true reprobate, never repented, never thought about repenting, never considered the gospel to be valid, even though they've heard it. Homosexual behavior is not worse a sin than any other, and it's practice does not eternally separate you from God any more than murder, addiction, adultery, stealing, etc. does. It is forgivable, whether practiced before salvation, or afterward, obviously assuming the repentance is genuine.
 

Bro. Curtis

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Women preachers ?

(I believe women pastors are forbidden, and not just based on one passage, this is for the sake of discussion)
 

prophet

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No, He didn't. You have misinterpreted that verse. That does not assume relapse, or "backsliding," or any other such thing. It is for the true reprobate, never repented, never thought about repenting, never considered the gospel to be valid, even though they've heard it. Homosexual behavior is not worse a sin than any other, and it's practice does not eternally separate you from God any more than murder, addiction, adultery, stealing, etc. does. It is forgivable, whether practiced before salvation, or afterward, obviously assuming the repentance is genuine.

Huh? What did I say about backsliding?
 
Huh? What did I say about backsliding?
Your didn't. God did.

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Iconoclast

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thisnumbersdisconnected [QUOTE said:
Homosexual behavior is not worse a sin than any other, and it's practice does not eternally separate you from God any more than murder, addiction, adultery, stealing, etc. does. It is forgivable, whether practiced before salvation, or afterward, obviously assuming the repentance is genuine.

The practice of any of these sins leads to hell. You are dead wrong.:wavey:

9 Know ye not that the unrighteous shall not inherit the kingdom of God? Be not deceived: neither fornicators, nor idolaters, nor adulterers, nor effeminate, nor abusers of themselves with mankind,

10 Nor thieves, nor covetous, nor drunkards, nor revilers, nor extortioners, shall inherit the kingdom of God.
 

salzer mtn

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Anybody that would be so attracted to the same sex as to go to bed with them is so despicable and corrupt they cannot possibly be a child of God. This is so un-natural that it ranks right up there with beastolagy which some other countries right now are promoting. Homosexuality is the sin of the last days, as it was in the day's of Lot. A person would have to have a conscience seared with a hot iron and a reprobate to do such things.
 

prophet

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Anybody that would be so attracted to the same sex as to go to bed with them is so despicable and corrupt they cannot possibly be a child of God. This is so un-natural that it ranks right up there with beastolagy which some other countries right now are promoting. Homosexuality is the sin of the last days, as it was in the day's of Lot. A person would have to have a conscience seared with a hot iron and a reprobate to do such things.

It seems that this generation is afraid to voice this, but God is the one being sinned against, and He has demonstrated for the whole world to see, in that, long before the law, He burned 10 cities to the ground as an example.
 

DHK

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thisnumbersdisconnected The practice of any of these sins leads to hell. You are dead wrong.:wavey: 9 Know ye not that the unrighteous shall not inherit the kingdom of God? [B said:
Be not deceived:[/B] neither fornicators, nor idolaters, nor adulterers, nor effeminate, nor abusers of themselves with mankind,

10 Nor thieves, nor covetous, nor drunkards, nor revilers, nor extortioners, shall inherit the kingdom of God.
Romans 7:14 For we know that the law is spiritual: but I am carnal, sold under sin.

Romans 7:16 If then I do that which I would not, I consent unto the law that it is good.
17 Now then it is no more I that do it, but sin that dwelleth in me.

Sin doesn't send a person to hell. If it did we would all be there. There would be no hope for any of us.
The rejection of Christ is what sends one to hell. He is the one that paid the penalty for our sin. Refuse the Giver of the gift and you have no hope of receiving the gift itself.
 
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