The SBC has been in disarray for awhile because it started trying to be relevant to the world rather than to the Kingdom.
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- Thread starter JonC
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Does not help when keep electing weirdos as SBC presidents!
Why do you think that they so wanted to be relevant that they drifted so far from the shore?
SBC Presidents from 2000-2020:
Paige Patterson
James Merritt
Jack Graham
Bobby Welch
Frank Page
Johnny Hunt
Bryant Wright
Fred Luter
Ronnie Floyd
Steve Gaines
J. D. Greear
KenH
Well-Known Member
I agree. To stop abortion we must spread the gospel and rely on God to replace hearts of stone with hearts of flesh. Browbeating people with politics won’t work.
“For though we walk in the flesh, we are not waging war according to the flesh.” - 2 Corinthians 10:3 ESV
RighteousnessTemperance&
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Yes, I noticed you completely ignored my question, and that certainly didn't address it.
Are you saying that we should dispense with laws against murder and slavery and just hope people come to their senses some day? If you are not, then you are not at all consistent. If you are, then I'm glad we don't live in your "utopia." It would be one to rival the antediluvian world for evil.
KenH
Well-Known Member
Nope. You and I can say from now till the cows come home that abortion is murder, but there is not a consensus among our fellow Americans that agrees with us to make all abortions illegal. I am all for reversing Roe v. Wade and returning the issue to the states where it belongs. But I don’t think it can happen without a Great Revival of the gospel of Christ in this country.
I do not think that they have drifted from the shore of doctrine, but rather they have become distracted. I am still SBC, so this is a long held opinion from an "insider". Sometimes I think that the churches could do with a little less of the Convention.
Leadership starts at the top, and current one sees prophets in our midst!
In a SBC church the human leader is the pastor. The Convention is a convention on churches.
I think I agree that it is the leadership in Nashville and the employees as well as the seminaries where the cultural marxism flourishes. For example, Greear in his rush for the limelight made a stupid statement about a lesbian communist organization.
You might be surprised!
Do you?
Jesus did not just challenge the religious leaders. He called the followers of Satan.
John 8:44 ESV
You are of your father the devil, and your will is to do your father's desires. He was a murderer from the beginning, and does not stand in the truth, because there is no truth in him. When he lies, he speaks out of his own character, for he is a liar and the father of lies.
Jesus used name calling
Matthew 12:34 ESV
You brood of vipers! How can you speak good, when you are evil? For out of the abundance of the heart the mouth speaks.
Matthew 23:27 ESV
Woe to you, scribes and Pharisees, hypocrites! For you are like whitewashed tombs, which outwardly appear beautiful, but within are full of dead people's bones and all uncleanness.
I could go on, but saying that Jesus just "challenged the religious leaders of the day" is making a molehill out of a mountain.
Once again - What is "unkind"? It is actually a serious question which needs to be answered. It is also one which this forum avoids like the plague.
Jesus had to worry about those proclaimed him as their lord far more than he had to worry about any Roman soldier, pagan priest, prostitute, etc. The Pharisees and the Sadducees both proclaimed that they were following the God of Abraham. Jesus uses scripture to defend himself primarily from the people who claim the God of Abraham.
Were only pagans involved in Jesus's death? How about the other apostles? Christians had to worry about those who claimed God.
Just like now - Christians have to watch their back when around those who claim Jesus. Why? Because it is popular to claim Jesus in our society. Homosexuals claim Jesus. Abortionists claim Jesus. Thieves claim Jesus. Prostitutes claim Jesus. Politicians claim Jesus. Trump claims Jesus. Almost everyone claims Jesus in one form or another. Just like the Pharisees and Sadducees, many of these are playing for all the marbles. They won't be willing to let others worship God as their conscience dictates.
Many who have claimed Jesus have done horrible things to others who claimed Jesus. Behaving as if all who claim Jesus are one merry group is foolish. And Paul didn't believe in that foolishness either. How many times have those who claimed Jesus murdered others who claim Jesus over theological trivia? Similar things are still happening now. Churches kick out others over theological trivia. Boycotts are enforced. Books are being destroyed. People are fired. Church property is confiscated. I believe the only reason why certain people aren't murdering others is because the secular government won't allow it.
I don't believe satire is in opposition to how a Christian should behave. Look at Paul's example of satire - Romans 13:1-7, Galatians 5:12, 2 Corinthians 12:11. Some who claim Jesus think that Paul sinned when he wrote Galatians 5:12.
However, just like Jesus and the temple tax, I can understand more stringent rules being in place for a forum as pragmatism may be needed.
Jesus wasn't very nice to money changers.
RighteousnessTemperance&
Well-Known Member
Actually, it is the suppression of basic truth that is most effective in keeping abortion legal. If the MSM were to honestly depict the realities of its effects on babies, women, men, families, society, the consensus would be far different. Bypassing them via the Internet has helped open many eyes already. And some report that showing their baby on ultrasound convinces about 4 out of 5 pregnant women considering abortion not to go through with it.
You blame MSM for abortions?
That was they’re choice
KenH
Well-Known Member
Jesus had harsh words for the corrupt religious leaders and such, but for the masses - the vast, vast, vast, vast majority of people - Jesus had compassion:
“When he saw the crowds, he had compassion for them, because they were harassed and helpless, like sheep without a shepherd.” - Matthew 9:36 ESV
So what is the root cause for an abortion in the first place?