Online Forums, Christian Conduct, and Sin

[Earth Wind and Fire]

The problem is Republican appointed judges who were committed pro life were blocked by.....wait for it.....Democrats.
Republicans have to appoint fence sitters because Dems block true Conservatives.

That’s a weak (pass the buck) excuse.

 

[JonC]

Do you?



Jesus did not just challenge the religious leaders. He called the followers of Satan.

John 8:44 ESV
You are of your father the devil, and your will is to do your father's desires. He was a murderer from the beginning, and does not stand in the truth, because there is no truth in him. When he lies, he speaks out of his own character, for he is a liar and the father of lies.

Jesus used name calling

Matthew 12:34 ESV
You brood of vipers! How can you speak good, when you are evil? For out of the abundance of the heart the mouth speaks.

Matthew 23:27 ESV
Woe to you, scribes and Pharisees, hypocrites! For you are like whitewashed tombs, which outwardly appear beautiful, but within are full of dead people's bones and all uncleanness.

I could go on, but saying that Jesus just "challenged the religious leaders of the day" is making a molehill out of a mountain.

Once again - What is "unkind"? It is actually a serious question which needs to be answered. It is also one which this forum avoids like the plague.

Jesus had to worry about those proclaimed him as their lord far more than he had to worry about any Roman soldier, pagan priest, prostitute, etc. The Pharisees and the Sadducees both proclaimed that they were following the God of Abraham. Jesus uses scripture to defend himself primarily from the people who claim the God of Abraham.

Were only pagans involved in Jesus's death? How about the other apostles? Christians had to worry about those who claimed God.

Just like now - Christians have to watch their back when around those who claim Jesus. Why? Because it is popular to claim Jesus in our society. Homosexuals claim Jesus. Abortionists claim Jesus. Thieves claim Jesus. Prostitutes claim Jesus. Politicians claim Jesus. Trump claims Jesus. Almost everyone claims Jesus in one form or another. Just like the Pharisees and Sadducees, many of these are playing for all the marbles. They won't be willing to let others worship God as their conscience dictates.

Many who have claimed Jesus have done horrible things to others who claimed Jesus. Behaving as if all who claim Jesus are one merry group is foolish. And Paul didn't believe in that foolishness either. How many times have those who claimed Jesus murdered others who claim Jesus over theological trivia? Similar things are still happening now. Churches kick out others over theological trivia. Boycotts are enforced. Books are being destroyed. People are fired. Church property is confiscated. I believe the only reason why certain people aren't murdering others is because the secular government won't allow it.

I don't believe satire is in opposition to how a Christian should behave. Look at Paul's example of satire - Romans 13:1-7, Galatians 5:12, 2 Corinthians 12:11. Some who claim Jesus think that Paul sinned when he wrote Galatians 5:12.

However, just like Jesus and the temple tax, I can understand more stringent rules being in place for a forum as pragmatism may be needed.

You are wrong here. Jesus did challenge the religious leaders. He challenged the Scribes, the Pharasee, and the Sadducees. These were the primary religious leaders in Jerusalem at the time. Jesus even mentions these groups by name, so there is no doubt He was referring to them.

But we are not talking about these religious sects. We are talking about whether it is godly for Christians to attack other Christians. Scripture is very clear here. We are not to be abusive to other believers even when they are in need of correction.

 

[RighteousnessTemperance&]

You blame MSM for abortions?

Your political posts are as bad as, or worse than Fake News, and that one was no better. Those with very poor comprehension skills might actually believe that question follows from my post.

 

[Yeshua1]

You are wrong here. Jesus did challenge the religious leaders. He challenged the Scribes, the Pharasee, and the Sadducees. These were the primary religious leaders in Jerusalem at the time. Jesus even mentions these groups by name, so there is no doubt He was referring to them.

But we are not talking about these religious sects. We are talking about whether it is godly for Christians to attack other Christians. Scripture is very clear here. We are not to be abusive to other believers even when they are in need of correction.

Depends on what the "attacking is for", as those who teach unsound doctrines need to be confronted sometimes openly, as paul did to peter!

 

[JonC]

Depends on what the "attacking is for", as those who teach unsound doctrines need to be confronted sometimes openly, as paul did to peter!

No. It doesn't. Paul addressed those under his authority.

 

[Yeshua1]

No. It doesn't. Paul addressed those under his authority.

Out in a public forum!

 

[JonC]

Out in a public forum!

What?

 

[MartyF]

You are wrong here. Jesus did challenge the religious leaders. He challenged the Scribes, the Pharasee, and the Sadducees. These were the primary religious leaders in Jerusalem at the time. Jesus even mentions these groups by name, so there is no doubt He was referring to them.

You completely misread what I said. Please read it again.

But we are not talking about these religious sects. We are talking about whether it is godly for Christians to attack other Christians. Scripture is very clear here. We are not to be abusive to other believers even when they are in need of correction.

Now you are continuing to misrepresent what I said. I will give you an opportunity to reread what I said and correct yourself.

 

[JonC]

You completely misread what I said. Please read it again.



Now you are continuing to misrepresent what I said. I will give you an opportunity to reread what I said and correct yourself.

No, but thank you.

My point is that Jesus never taught Christians to be unkind to one another. If we agree then great. If we disagree then that is fine as well.

It is not worth arguing over. I will stand where I will stand, and you where you will stand. If we are side by side OK. If not, OK.

 

[church mouse guy]

J.D. Greear would be an example of Christians being unkind to each other.

 

[evenifigoalone]

I dont think its always our Christian duty to be nice. Jesus was not always nice. I recall Him calling people some names like "snakes", vipers, fools, graves" to name just a few.

Romans 12:18 NIV "If it is possible, as far as it depends on you, live at peace with everyone"
1 Peter 3:9, NIV: "Do not repay evil with evil or insult with insult. On the contrary, repay evil with blessing, because to this you were called so that you may inherit a blessing."

 

[Earth Wind and Fire]

Your political posts are as bad as, or worse than Fake News, and that one was no better. Those with very poor comprehension skills might actually believe that question follows from my post.

 

[Yeshua1]

Romans 12:18 NIV "If it is possible, as far as it depends on you, live at peace with everyone"
1 Peter 3:9, NIV: "Do not repay evil with evil or insult with insult. On the contrary, repay evil with blessing, because to this you were called so that you may inherit a blessing."

Think that we should be seeking to have bad and or wrong theology corrected, but not in spite!

 

[Yeshua1]

J.D. Greear would be an example of Christians being unkind to each other.

How so?

 

[church mouse guy]

How so?

Greear and the SBC know that BLM is a black lesbian communist movement but they insist upon promoting them in the name of diversity although they admit that they do not have the proper mixture of identity politics in the leadership of the SBC. Greear reportedly embraces and promotes the sentiment behind BLM, which sentiment is black lesbian marxism founded upon the actions of Travon Martin in his attempt on the life of George Zimmerman.

'Greear said diversity is especially needed during the current national unrest. While the SBC is one of the most diverse religious groups in the nation, he lamented that SBC leadership does not reflect that diversity. He pledged to work with other SBC officers for diversity during his presidential tenure -- which will continue for a third year because of the cancellation of the annual meeting.

In promoting diversity, Greear implored Southern Baptists to accept and promote that black lives matter

"Let me echo my friend Jimmy Scroggins, a pastor down in Florida, in saying that 'black lives matter' is an important thing to say right now because we are seeing in our country the evidence of specific injustices that many of our black brothers, and sisters and friends have been telling us about for years," Greear said. "And by the way, let's not respond by saying 'oh, well all lives matter.' Of course all lives matter. ... That's true. But you're missing the point."

Greear did not promote the Black Lives Matter movement, which he said has been "hijacked by some political operatives whose worldview and policy prescriptions would be deeply at odds with my own," but he embraced and promoted the sentiment behind the movement.'

'Gospel Above All' drives diversity, unity, missions, abuse prevention

 

[Yeshua1]

Greear and the SBC know that BLM is a black lesbian communist movement but they insist upon promoting them in the name of diversity although they admit that they do not have the proper mixture of identity politics in the leadership of the SBC. Greear reportedly embraces and promotes the sentiment behind BLM, which sentiment is black lesbian marxism founded upon the actions of Travon Martin in his attempt on the life of George Zimmerman.

'Greear said diversity is especially needed during the current national unrest. While the SBC is one of the most diverse religious groups in the nation, he lamented that SBC leadership does not reflect that diversity. He pledged to work with other SBC officers for diversity during his presidential tenure -- which will continue for a third year because of the cancellation of the annual meeting.

In promoting diversity, Greear implored Southern Baptists to accept and promote that black lives matter

"Let me echo my friend Jimmy Scroggins, a pastor down in Florida, in saying that 'black lives matter' is an important thing to say right now because we are seeing in our country the evidence of specific injustices that many of our black brothers, and sisters and friends have been telling us about for years," Greear said. "And by the way, let's not respond by saying 'oh, well all lives matter.' Of course all lives matter. ... That's true. But you're missing the point."

Greear did not promote the Black Lives Matter movement, which he said has been "hijacked by some political operatives whose worldview and policy prescriptions would be deeply at odds with my own," but he embraced and promoted the sentiment behind the movement.'

'Gospel Above All' drives diversity, unity, missions, abuse prevention

Is he as outspoken about black on black crimes in Chicago, abortion mills, and black slavery among Muslim in Africa still today?

 

[church mouse guy]

Is he as outspoken about black on black crimes in Chicago, abortion mills, and black slavery among Muslim in Africa still today?

The SBC is silent on many human rights issues and property rights issues. They gave a blanket endorsement of the marxists, homosexual goals of BLM in the Baptist Press. They have drifted from the shore and they do not have a good reason to fly the BLM flag founded in memory of Travon Martin.

 

[Earth Wind and Fire]

The SBC is silent on many human rights issues and property rights issues. They gave a blanket endorsement of the marxists, homosexual goals of BLM in the Baptist Press. They have drifted from the shore and they do not have a good reason to fly the BLM flag founded in memory of Travon Martin.

Then leave them

 

[Earth Wind and Fire]

You are wrong here. Jesus did challenge the religious leaders. He challenged the Scribes, the Pharasee, and the Sadducees. These were the primary religious leaders in Jerusalem at the time. Jesus even mentions these groups by name, so there is no doubt He was referring to them.

But we are not talking about these religious sects. We are talking about whether it is godly for Christians to attack other Christians. Scripture is very clear here. We are not to be abusive to other believers even when they are in need of correction.

Idealist drivel

 

[Dave G]

We are talking about whether it is godly for Christians to attack other Christians. Scripture is very clear here. We are not to be abusive to other believers even when they are in need of correction.

I've read through 5 pages of this thread and in my estimation, it has wandered very far from its original intent, Jon.

What politics has to do with any of your OP, I have no idea.
What the "ebb and flow" of this world has to do with a people that, like Abraham, look for a city and world to come that are ruled by righteousness, I also have no idea.
But I do know that we as believers have this sin-tainted flesh that we are stuck in, and it causes a lot of problems for us.
I see the interaction on forums like this, and I agree that more can be done to curb our own responses, so that they are much more gracious and not "reactive".

There are many passages in God's word that have to do with our conduct as believers, and I have learned the hard way that it is far better to read and heed these, than it is to forget them, despite my occasional slips into what the Bible calls, "strifes of words"...
Here are a few:

Romans 12, the whole chapter.
Romans 13, the whole chapter.
Romans 14, same as above.
Romans 15:1-7.
1 Corinthians 10:23-24.
1 Corinthians 10:31-33.
Galatians 5:13-26.
Galatians 6:1-10.
Ephesians 4:1-3.
Colossians 3.

...and many others.

I've noticed that one poster in this thread made the connection that Christ was not always nice...
But He is markedly different than us as men.
He knows peoples thoughts and the intents of the hearts.

He condemned people out of perfect condemnation, because He is God in the flesh...
So He was speaking from a position of knowing far more than we do.

I believe that is why He had men write these passages above, knowing that we as men are limited in what we see.
We judge after the outward appearance, He judges according to the heart because He sees each and every one.

Therefore, we as believers have a duty to follow His commands, because He sees much more thoroughly than we do.
We should trust that His direction on these matters is for good reason.



May God bless you, sir.