Ononadaga Parkway Bridge - who pays???

[Salty]

Over the past decade, several trucks have hit the bridge. The RR bridge has a height of 10' 9 ". There has only been one incident - with fatalities. Several years ago - a mega-bus hit the bridge - and caused deaths.

The bridge was build about 150 years ago. The Parkway was built about 40 years later.

CSX (the railroad) refuses to rebuild the bridge. It is estimated it would cost about 20 million dollars to rebuild the bridge. In addition the NY State is not allowed to do anything without permission of CSX.

Each time there is a collision -it costs NY State (& county) a lot of money as emergency crews must come.

Currently there are about 15 signs in both directions warning of the low bridge. Lately, violators are recievieng a ticket for each sign ! Virtually all offenders are out of state.

If you are wondering - the road cannot be lowered as it is in a swamp area.

So Should the Railroad be required to pay for some or all of a new bridge?
Should the State Need permission from CSX to rebuild

Thoughts?

FB page for the Bridge
From CNY Central

 

[Deacon]

Simply put a steel beam at about the 10 foot height, a good distance from each side of the bridge.

Trucks would hit that before encountering the bridge. It would be low enough to make the truckers aware that they shouldn’t even try to cross under
Rob

 

[Marooncat79]

Railroads enjoy special privilege given by Congress back in the day

they pretty much do what they want without answering to anyone

 

[Salty]

Railroads enjoy special privilege given by Congress back in the day

they pretty much do what they want without answering to anyone

Should that "privilege" be changed by Congress

 

[37818]

Thoughts?

What would it cost to lower the road below the bridge?

 

[kyredneck]

Thoughts?

Fire the engineer that missed this.

 

[Salty]

What would it cost to lower the road below the bridge?

No Go - too much water underneath

 

[Deacon]

What would it cost to lower the road below the bridge?

If you are wondering - the road cannot be lowered as it is in a swamp area.

Fire the engineer that missed this.

The bridge was build about 150 years ago. The Parkway was built about 40 years later.

 

[Salty]

Fire the engineer that missed this.

When the Parkway was built - there were no tractor-trailers

 

[Van]

Of course the bridge should be met Interstate Highway requirements, including minimum elevation.

Vertical clearance: The minimum vertical clearance under overhead structures, such as bridges, is 16 feet (4.9 m), including both paved shoulders and an allowance for extra layers of pavement. Through urban areas, at least one routing is to have 16-foot (4.9 m) clearances, but others may have a lesser clearance of 14 feet (4.3 m). Sign supports and pedestrian overpasses must be at least 17 feet (5.2 m) above the road, except on urban routes with lesser clearance, where they should be at least 1 foot (30 cm) higher than other objects. The cross bracing of truss bridges has a special additional clearance requirement of 17.5 feet (5.3 m).​

 

[Salty]

Running parallel to the Parkway is Old Liverpool Rd
The signs are very clear that trucks are not allowed on the Parkway.
The Parkway has the designation of NY Rt 370

check this map
The map is set for a Spanish Baptist church.
Scroll up to the NW just a bit and you will see the Parkway (Rt 370) and the
access to Old Liverpool Rd

Then hit the "+" 2 or 3 times to get a better view
and hit satellite and you will see the bridge and how close it is to the Lake.

Truckers dont like Old Liverpool Rd is because in the Village of Liverpool there is a
train track crossing and as you know some of those freight trains can be rather long.

 

[37818]

If you are wondering - the road cannot be lowered as it is in a swamp area.

I missed reading that point.

 

[Bible Thumpin n Gun Totin]

We had an issue in our fire district with Dollar General trucks taking their 53 foot semi trucks on our 12ft wide, one-lane dirt mountain roads with 180 degree switchback turns.

After getting dispatched to four semi-truck calls within three months we started calling out highway patrol to write them fat fines, and eventually we stopped responding to those calls entirely.

Dollar General learned their lesson after hefty tow truck bills and tickets, and after their drivers have to wait 4 to 6 hours for a tow truck to show up to pull them out and finally get them unstuck.

We also had our county EMS director get on their trail, and we asked DOT to put up signs in our district stating "Not Recommended for Semi-Trucks". For whatever unreasonable purpose DOT said our roads don't need that. Clearly DOT has no idea what they're talking about.