Ontario Discriminates

[Daisy]

I just found out that I can no longer take my dog to Toronto or Niagra Falls (Canadian side).

DogFriendly.com(linkie) is warning dog owners that if their pet looks at all like a pitbull or pitbull mix and they cannot prove that it isn't, the dog may be confiscated at the border. Furthermore, it might not be returned - it might be killed or turned over to a research facility

We need to make people who travel with dogs aware of Ontario's 2005 Breed-Specific Legislation, (supposedly targeted at Pit Bulls and Pit-Bull like mixes but may affect most any dog). Ontario has recently passed this legislation that makes it illegal, and unwise, for people with Pit Bulls or similar dogs to live in or to visit the province. Unfortunately, this law took effect on August 29, 2005. More information on the law is available at this link (pdf). The law states that authorities have the right to confiscate your dog simply based on their opinion that it looks like a pit bull. This applies to residents as well as visitors. It is a shame that Ontario has passed this law, as the province has a lot to offer travelers with dogs. However, there is a significant risk to dog owners who visit the province, which includes Toronto, Niagara Falls, and Ottawa.

I guess I won't be visiting Toronto again.

 

[church mouse guy]

Thanks, Daisy.

Who says that Canada isn't getting less and less New World and more and more European? Not only do they have same-sex marriage and Islamic law in Ontario domestic courts, but now they are coming after Rover.

What next?

 

[ASLANSPAL]

Don't you know they will make mistakes, this
will be to traumatic to pet owners who are bonded
to their pets.

I love Canada but on this one........bad Canada!
down boy! down boy!

 

[Jim1999]

Quote:

Who says that Canada isn't getting less and less New World and more and more European? Not only do they have same-sex marriage and Islamic law in Ontario domestic courts, but now they are coming after Rover.

Sorry, same-sex marriage was inevitable with our Canadian Bill of Rights...ever heard of equal rights?

Islamic Law is NOT a part of any law in Ontario. It was rejected. Please get facts straight!

Not ALL dogs are banned; just Pit Bulls. We don't all agree with the law, but there have been too many irresponsible owners of pit bulls and something had to be done to protect innocent children who have been mauled. What would you propose to protect children?

None of my five dogs are banned.

Cheers,

Jim

 

[Daisy]

Pit bulls, pit bull mixes and any dog that looks like a pit bull.

The reason I got a pit bull mix is that the shelters are particularly careful in screening them before allowing adoption. I wanted an extra gentle dog because Mr. Daisy never had a pet and he got bit (by a friend's white, shepherd-like dog) when he was a kid. She lets me take food out of her mouth, other dogs take toys away from her, little children can pull her ears.

This is just wrong.

 

[Jim1999]

Daisy, Any dog can bite...any size dog. The problem in Ontario was with pit bulls (as you may know, comes in all shapes, sizes and temperaments) and something had to be done.

Most pet owners objected to the legislation, asking which breed will be next. Nontheless, the law was passed by parliament and there it stands.

If we had to agree with every law a country passes, I fear we wouldn't go anywhere. You can't even take a dog to England...it will be quaranteened for 6 months. We just don't take our pets to England.

In the USA, Canadian money is not accepted at any business. We change our money before we go. I couldn't even get a coffee in NY cos all I had was Canadian money. I had to accept that! (A kind American didn't like the rule either and bought me a coffee).

Again, with all the children mauled, what rule would you impose? I never blamed the animal. It is always the owner who is careless.

Those who previously owned pit bulls must muzzle them and keep them on leads, but it remains illegal to raise them in Ontario. I think the same law applies in Manitoba.

Cheers,

Jim

 

[Bro. James Reed]

Not ALL dogs are banned; just Pit Bulls. We don't all agree with the law, but there have been too many irresponsible owners of pit bulls and something had to be done to protect innocent children who have been mauled. What would you propose to protect children?

None of my five dogs are banned.

So, apparently, you and the Canadian authorities believe that no other breed of dog, or any other animal, is capable of harming children?

Gay men can get married, but your average Jacques Canuk can't own a certain breed of man's best friend.

So much for those equal rights you were talking about, eh.

You want to protect kids? Parents should be parents and not allow their kids to walk over and hit the neighbor's dog, rather than passing idiotic and oppressive laws.

Canada's government just seems to have a backward ideology to me.

 

[Jim1999]

If that is your response, then you are idiotic enough to not deserve a response. You didn't read what I said, and you prolly don't even care.

I don't like a lot of American laws, but I don't go about calling all Americans idiots, and I respect the fact that the USA is a sovereign country and has the right to pass those laws.

Cheers,

Jim

 

[Bro. James Reed]

Originally posted by Jim1999:
If that is your response, then you are idiotic enough to not deserve a response. You didn't read what I said, and you prolly don't even care.

I don't like a lot of American laws, but I don't go about calling all Americans idiots, and I respect the fact that the USA is a sovereign country and has the right to pass those laws.

Cheers,

Jim

If you'll notice the time I posted, you'll see that I could not have read your response because I was writing mine at the same time.

However, I still stand by what I said. The law makes no sense.

btw, I didn't say all Canadians are idiots. In fact, I didn't call anyone an idiot. I said they are passing idiotic laws. Our stupid goverment passes idiotic laws as well. It just seems that Canada does it more often.

Perhaps taking a little time to actuall read what I wrote, rather than assuming I think all Canadians are idiots, would do you some good and help clear your perception of my thoughts.

 

[ASLANSPAL]

Our good friend from Canada has a point...Daisys
dog may have bonded with those around her and
like she said ..even a child can play around the
dog...fine, but then their is the innocent stranger and the dog resorts to the call of the
wild mentality. I think Canada probably needs
to rethink the law though , stiffer penalties, documents on the pit bull mix with references the
dog has a history of safety.

Daisy you are very fortunate to have a gentle
mixed breed pit bull, count your blessings what
is reality is this dogs line is suspect and your
dog gets judged with a broad stroke.

 

[Bro. Curtis]

In Montana, more folks get eaten by grizzlies than pit bulls. Of course, you can't keep grizzlies as pets.

When pit-bulls are outlawed, only outlaws will have pit-bulls.

 

[church mouse guy]

It turns out that a couple of days ago, Canada reversed herself on the application of sharia law in Ontario because it would have denied due process to Islamic women since Islamic law gives women second-class status.

As for justifying same-sex marriage as an equal right, that is false because under the law of marriage as one man and one woman all men have equal rights of marriage under the law.

However, once Canada, Spain, Belgium, and Holland have amended marriage to include same-sex marriage, they are guilty of discrimination by not allowing any kind of marriage of any kind, such as one or more persons of any gender and of any relationship. Canada wrote their law to get all that money from the rich American gays and lesbians, who will now migrate to Canada, Sodom on the Hudson Bay.

Daisy, just spend your vacation in the USA. Have you been to Crawford, Texas?

 

[billwald]

Why do people living in urban areas want to own vicious animals? I suspect it boosts their egos, gives them a sense of control that they don't otherwise have.

 

[Daisy]

Originally posted by billwald:
Why do people living in urban areas want to own vicious animals? I suspect it boosts their egos, gives them a sense of control that they don't otherwise have.

Ownership of vicious animals is not confined to urban areas. Pitbulls are not generally aggressive towards people unless trained to be so. Dogs which are not pitbulls may be vicious.

 

[hillclimber]

I don't like or trust pit bulls

 

[hillclimber]

I also don't like what's been done to the word discriminate. I discriminate all day every day. In my food, fuel purchases, radio stations, friends, etc. I even discriminate with people. I like whom I like. Or is it who?

 

[Magnetic Poles]

The City & County of Denver has a ban on Pit Bulldogs, and will confiscate and destroy them, or even those the animal control officers THINK could be a pit bull. Aurora, CO is also considering a similar laws. I say enforce laws to make owners control their dogs, not ban any certain breeds.

 

[Bro. James Reed]

Originally posted by Magnetic Poles:
The City & County of Denver has a ban on Pit Bulldogs, and will confiscate and destroy them, or even those the animal control officers THINK could be a pit bull. Aurora, CO is also considering a similar laws. I say enforce laws to make owners control their dogs, not ban any certain breeds.

Like I said, Canada has some idiotic laws, as do we.