Open carry ... the price of freedom

[FollowTheWay]

Me too. I have moved on from protecting my children (my youngest is 43 the oldest is 52). They are perfectly capable of defending themselves. My son-in-law is retired from 24 years in the military and is a loving, kind, wonderful Christian man who holds death in both hands. I feel sorry for anyone who tries to harm his wife (my daughter) or his kids (my grandsons). Of course, two of their 3 boys are 6'3" and around 200 pounds of solid muscle, and all three of them (the youngest is only 8, an "opps" - but a favorite too) are well trained by their dad and their dojo in the martial arts.

So I am down to looking out for myself and my wife, and teaching my grandsons, along with my son-in-law, the proper use of firearms. Both the older two have now completed basic firearm safety courses, basic pistol and rifle courses, and are presently enrolled in tactical firearm training. (It helps that both their dad and their grand dad are advanced tactical firearm trainers and have their own shooting range.)

It seems that you equate being dangerously violent with being a Christian. Exactly the opposite is true.

 

[Alcott]

It seems that you equate being dangerously violent with being a Christian. Exactly the opposite is true.

What do you mean? A Christian's limit of violence is brandishing a whip and knocking tables with money and animals over?

 

[TCassidy]

It seems that you equate being dangerously violent with being a Christian.

It seems you did not even come close to understanding what I wrote.

Exactly the opposite is true.

We all know that, and avoid slandering our brothers and sisters in Christ by making false accusations to the contrary.

 

[TCassidy]

What do you mean? A Christian's limit of violence is brandishing a whip and knocking tables with money and animals over?

He is apparently unfamiliar with Luke 22:36 Then said he unto them, But now, he that hath a purse, let him take it, and likewise his scrip: and he that hath no sword, let him sell his garment, and buy one.

 

[Crabtownboy]

He is apparently unfamiliar with Luke 22:36 Then said he unto them, But now, he that hath a purse, let him take it, and likewise his scrip: and he that hath no sword, let him sell his garment, and buy one.

And you make the same mistake many make. Jesus was telling them that if they were to trust in the sword, something he, Jesus, never did or advocated, then they better go and buy one. If they trusted in the sword, they better buy one as hard times were coming where, if they did not trust him, they would have to trust the sword.

These verse have nothing to do with self-defense if we trust in him. Do not twist scripture to try to justify your personal beliefs. Learn what scripture and Christ taught and live by his teachings.

Our Lord’s words to Peter (Matthew 26:52) show that the disciples were not meant to use it in His defence. It is not likely that He would teach them to use it in their own, as they preached the gospel of the Kingdom. True teachers felt afterwards that the weapons of their warfare were not carnal (2Corinthians 10:4). What follows supplies a probable explanation. The Master knew that two of the disciples (Peter and another) had brought swords with them, and with that acceptance of the thoughts of others which we have so often traced, He sadly, and yet, as it were, with the gentle sympathy with which a man speaks to those who are children in age or character, conveyed His warnings in the form which met their fears and hopes. If they meant to trust in swords, a time was coming when they would sorely need them.

Luke 22:36 Commentaries: And He said to them, "But now, whoever has a money belt is to take it along, likewise also a bag, and whoever has no sword is to sell his coat and buy one.

 

[HankD]

And you make the same mistake many make. Jesus was telling them that if they were to trust in the sword, something he, Jesus, never did or advocated, then they better go and buy one. If they trusted in the sword, they better buy one as hard times were coming where, if they did not trust him, they would have to trust the sword.

These verse have nothing to do with self-defense if we trust in him. Do not twist scripture to try to justify your personal beliefs. Learn what scripture and Christ taught and live by his teachings.

Luke 22:36 Commentaries: And He said to them, "But now, whoever has a money belt is to take it along, likewise also a bag, and whoever has no sword is to sell his coat and buy one.

Romans 13
1 Let every soul be subject unto the higher powers. For there is no power but of God: the powers that be are ordained of God.
2 Whosoever therefore resisteth the power, resisteth the ordinance of God: and they that resist shall receive to themselves damnation.
3 For rulers are not a terror to good works, but to the evil. Wilt thou then not be afraid of the power? do that which is good, and thou shalt have praise of the same:
4 For he is the minister of God to thee for good. But if thou do that which is evil, be afraid; for he beareth not the sword in vain: for he is the minister of God, a revenger to execute wrath upon him that doeth evil.
5 Wherefore ye must needs be subject, not only for wrath, but also for conscience sake.

I believe Dr Cassidy is/was a LEO and a veteran. So on 2 counts this passage in Romans 13 applies to him.

As a matter of fact IMO it applies to every law abiding American citizen given the Second Amendment.


HankD

 

[FollowTheWay]

It seems you did not even come close to understanding what I wrote.

We all know that, and avoid slandering our brothers and sisters in Christ by making false accusations to the contrary.

What accusations? You were talking about how dangerous your son is, right?

 

[FollowTheWay]

He is apparently unfamiliar with Luke 22:36 Then said he unto them, But now, he that hath a purse, let him take it, and likewise his scrip: and he that hath no sword, let him sell his garment, and buy one.

You are probably unfamiliar with these words of Jesus:

[Luk 6:27-29 KJV] 27 But I say unto you which hear, Love your enemies, do good to them which hate you, 28 Bless them that curse you, and pray for them which despitefully use you. 29 And unto him that smiteth thee on the [one] cheek offer also the other; and him that taketh away thy cloke forbid not [to take thy] coat also.

 

[TCassidy]

So you think Jesus either contradicted Himself, or lied in one place or the other?

 

[TCassidy]

You were talking about how dangerous your son is, right?

No. My only son has been dead for 41 years.

 

[carpro]

I If I carried (which I do not) and was pulled over, I hope that I would have the sense to have ID/insurance ready before the officer approached my vehicle, would keep my hands in view while informing the officer that I was carrying, and if asked to exit, would do so as directed and allow the officer to withdraw the firearm. I'm white, but whatever color, it's in my self interest to avoid adding stress to an already stressful occupation.

It's not really a stressful situation at all. Simply hand the police officer your license to carry along with your driver's license. The next move is his.

Most of them will just hand them back and carry on with what they stopped you for. Some will ask if you are carrying. Some will further ask what you are carrying. Just follow their lead. Keep you hands visible and comply with all their orders.

No stress at all. Since you are licensed, the police officer knows there is almost no chance he is dealing with a criminal.

 

[Reynolds]

It's not really a stressful situation at all. Simply hand the police officer your license to carry along with your driver's license. The next move is his.

Most of them will just hand them back and carry on with what they stopped you for. Some will ask if you are carrying. Some will further ask what you are carrying. Just follow their lead. Keep you hands visible and comply with all their orders.

No stress at all. Since you are licensed, the police officer knows there is almost no chance he is dealing with a criminal.

Agree. Most law abiding citizens I stopped had firearms in the vehicle. I stopped a guy one night that had a pistol kind of tucked into the seat. He mentioned it and I said "yeah, I keep guns in my personal vehicle too." He said, you want to see it. I said "nope, the reason I stopped you was........ You need to fix it. You are free to go. Drive safe" He then said, you sure you don't want to see it. "I said ,no but you must want to show it to me." He said "yeah, can I?" I said "sure." It was an Anaconda with all kinds of custom engraving and 24k inlay. Turns out that's what he did for a living. I got him to do a few pistols for me over the next few years.