Open Theism - Books and Authors

[OldRegular]

Why would I want to read a book by a heretic? Why do you keep pushing this heresy?

 

[OldRegular]

I have no idea what open theism means.

I think it means that the God declared in Scripture is not really God!

humblethinker seems to be hung up on it!

 

[Michael Wrenn]

I don't think you can make a blanket statement that Open Theism is heresy.

 

[OldRegular]

I don't think you can make a blanket statement that Open Theism is heresy.

Why not???????

That God changes in some respects implies that God is temporal, working with us in time.

A pebble from: http://www.opentheism.info/
My bold!

tem·po·ral
adjective
1. of or pertaining to time.
2. pertaining to or concerned with the present life or this world; worldly: temporal joys.
3. enduring for a time only; temporary; transitory ( opposed to eternal).
4. Grammar .
a. of, pertaining to, or expressing time: a temporal adverb.
b. of or pertaining to the tenses of a verb.
5. secular, lay, or civil, as opposed to ecclesiastical.

http://dictionary.reference.com/browse/temporal?s=t

Another pebble from: http://www.opentheism.info/
My bold!

Finally, the omniscient God knows all that can be known given the sort of world he created. The content of divine omniscience has been debated in the Christian tradition; between Thomism and Molinism for example. In the openness debate the focus is on the nature of the future: is it fully knowable, fully unknowable or partially knowable and partially unknowable? We believe that God could have known every event of the future had God decided to create a fully determined universe. However, in our view God decided to create beings with indeterministic freedom which implies that God chose to create a universe in which the future is not entirely knowable, even for God. For many open theists the “future” is not a present reality-it does not exist-and God knows reality as it is.

Then there is this from Scripture:

For I am the LORD, I change not;

Known unto God are all his works from the beginning of the world.

Remember the former things of old: for I am God, and there is none else; I am God, and there is none like me, Declaring the end from the beginning, and from ancient times the things that are not yet done, saying, My counsel shall stand, and I will do all my pleasure:

 

[Michael Wrenn]

I am open to some aspects of Open Theism (pardon the pun), based on what I believe about freedom.

My favorite open theist is Clark Pinnock.

 

[OldRegular]

I am open to some aspects of Open Theism (pardon the pun), based on what I believe about freedom.

My favorite open theist is Clark Pinnock.

In my post I show from the mouth of "Open Theism" that it is heretical. Using the term" temporal" to define God is in itself blasphemous! The following statement:

For many open theists the “future” is not a present reality-it does not exist-and God knows reality as it is.

denies that God knows the future and, therefore, denies God as declared in Scripture.

The god of "Open Theism" is not the God of Scripture. It is a god which is the creation of their sinful imaginations and ego.

I have Pinnock's book from 1984 in which he defends the inerrancy of Scripture. Just shows what age and an ego, stroked by liberals, can do to some people! Sadly some can't blame it on age!

 

[OldRegular]

I am open to some aspects of Open Theism (pardon the pun), based on what I believe about freedom.

I would remind you what Scripture tells us about

what I believe about freedom.

Proverbs 14:12. There is a way which seemeth right unto a man, but the end thereof are the ways of death.

 

[Revmitchell]

I don't think you can make a blanket statement that Open Theism is heresy.

Uh yea why not? It is a silly notion.

 

[Yeshua1]

Monday evening I started reading "The Openness of God" and finished reading it today. I am interested in how many of us have actually read a book on the subject of Open Theism by an Open Theist author.
I recognize that there is only so much time in the day and we all have to be selective in prioritizing what we avail our attention to so there's no shame in not having done so.

If you reply to the poll, I would appreciate your input as to what you read and your thoughts on how it treated the subject matter. I would recommend this book to those who want to understand what Open Theists believe from their own perspective.

can't help but think that IF Paul was walking around today, he would read their works and say"so called wisdom of this age, and foolish /vain speculations/philisophies of man!"

 

[Michael Wrenn]

In my post I show from the mouth of "Open Theism" that it is heretical. Using the term" temporal" to define God is in itself blasphemous! The following statement: denies that God knows the future and, therefore, denies God as declared in Scripture.

The god of "Open Theism" is not the God of Scripture. It is a god which is the creation of their sinful imaginations and ego.

I have Pinnock's book from 1984 in which he defends the inerrancy of Scripture. Just shows what age and an ego, stroked by liberals, can do to some people! Sadly some can't blame it on age!

And I would say that it shows what growth in grace and sensitivity to God's leading can do to some people.

 

[Michael Wrenn]

Uh yea why not? It is a silly notion.

In your opinion.

I am not saying I am an Open Theist. I don't identify with labels or movements generally. I do see some truth in some aspects of it and I understand where Open Theists are coming from.

 

[OldRegular]

And I would say that it shows what growth in grace and sensitivity to God's leading can do to some people.

[snipped - inflammatory]. God does not lead anyone to error much less heresy!

 

[OldRegular]

In your opinion.

I am not saying I am an Open Theist. I don't identify with labels or movements generally. I do see some truth in some aspects of it and I understand where Open Theists are coming from.

If you understand where Open Theism comes from then inform all those who believe what Scripture tells us about God. I know where it comes from, the same place that all heresy does!

 

[Revmitchell]

In your opinion.

I am not saying I am an Open Theist. I don't identify with labels or movements generally. I do see some truth in some aspects of it and I understand where Open Theists are coming from.

And some folks find stories of UFO's and Big Foot credible as well. All of them are ridiculous.

 

[Michael Wrenn]

[snipped - inflammatory]. God does not lead anyone to error much less heresy!

[personal attack edited]

 

[Michael Wrenn]

And some folks find stories of UFO's and Big Foot credible as well. All of them are ridiculous.

And when some folks can't engage in intelligent conversation, they resort to insults and personal attacks.

 

[Revmitchell]

And when some folks can't engage in intelligent conversation, they resort to insults and personal attacks.

Again there was no insult or personal attack.

 

[Michael Wrenn]

Maybe someone can explain why my post was edited, but OldRegular's where he said, [corrected]. That looks like a personal attack to me.

 

[Michael Wrenn]

Again there was no insult or personal attack.

Okay, Rev, here you go: You worship little green men.

That was not an insult or personal attack.