Original Sin

[The Biblicist]

Eccl. 12:7 says the dust shall return to the earth as it were, and the spirit will return to God who gave it.

The body is all that's reproduced. Zechariah 12:1 also says God places the spirit of man within him

Our body is likened to a tent by 3 of the apostles, and Paul says we are naked without the body.

Traducianism seems to have been developed by Tertullian, who was trying to make sense of Romans 5:12 misapplied

From what I have been able to tell, the church mishandled the Gnostic debate and went almost completely silent on the distinction between spirit and body.

This seems to have impacted the church's view of sin and righteousness with very drastic consequences

It also began a long string of extra-biblical doctrines about Christ which end up portraying Him as NOT partaking in the same flesh and blood, and NOT being made like His brethren in all things (Heb 2:14-17)

Sorry James, but I don't see any problem with any of the scripture you quoted. None of these scriptures contradict my position

 

[Internet Theologian]

Arguments against the Biblical support of Original Sin

Lets number them:

1. Adam's sin could not have consequences for mankind because that would violate Eze 18:20. Here God's word teaches the son shall not bear (carry the penalty of sin) of the father. So what this verse teaches is that the son will not be punished for the sins of the father. But sin has consequences for others, and the consequence of the sin of Adam is mankind's separation from God. Note God does "visit" the sin of the father on the generations who hate God, Exodus 20:5.

Goodness sake, really? The above text is not dealing with the fall of mankind, or that no man is sinful until they actually sin, but with the fact that SINCE the fall, mankind is responsible for his sin committed in the body, and the reason man sins is because he is already sinful and fallen.

 

[HankD]

Eccl. 12:7 says the dust shall return to the earth as it were, and the spirit will return to God who gave it.

The body is all that's reproduced. Zechariah 12:1 also says God places the spirit of man within him

Our body is likened to a tent by 3 of the apostles, and Paul says we are naked without the body.

Traducianism seems to have been developed by Tertullian, who was trying to make sense of Romans 5:12 misapplied

From what I have been able to tell, the church mishandled the Gnostic debate and went almost completely silent on the distinction between spirit and body.

This seems to have impacted the church's view of sin and righteousness with very drastic consequences

It also began a long string of extra-biblical doctrines about Christ which end up portraying Him as NOT partaking in the same flesh and blood, and NOT being made like His brethren in all things (Heb 2:14-17)

In my view the fall of man was complete - both material and immaterial (Soul, spirit).

This is why we must be born of the Spirit. Our spirits must be infused with eternal life from the Holy Spirit to allow the image of God to come through our being.

2 Corinthians 3:18 But we all, with open face beholding as in a glass the glory of the Lord, are changed (Grk. metamorphoo) into the same image from glory to glory, even as by the Spirit of the Lord.

HankD

 

[HankD]

I get that, Hank.

What I've encountered is that people are afraid to consider a differing view at all. Peace

Agreed.