Our church and Jesus Dolls

The problem is in stating the dolls cannot be used to preach the Gospel...that someone giving a doll is doing the opposite of preaching the Gospel. They are not on opposite ends, the dolls are only a MEANS used in preaching the Gospel.

 

Ya'll give tim a break...I've suggested other biblical dolls, but they were marketing failures:

Our biblical doll series:

Adam & Eve dolls: The first batch didn't sell, because they were "pre-fall" dolls, and they were nixed for being naked. I nixed batch 2 myself because the idiots made them with navels.

Enoch doll: I made him, and then all of the sudden he was not. I wonder if God took him...

Balaam doll: you wouldn't believe the problem we had with this one. That's all I'm saying.

Noah doll: wasn't waterproof.

David doll: Originally successful, then the IFB's found out he danced, and they picketed me. Oh well.

Solomon doll: Looked good in the beginning...but because of the "wives and concubines" accessory was too expensive.

Bildad the shuhite doll: nice doll, but too short.

Isaiah doll: Had little success with the "3 years naked" version.

Jeremiah doll: Cried too much.

"minor prophet doll" series: no one ever could find them, and if they did, they couldn't pronounce their names, and didn't know what order to put them.

John the Baptist doll: our ugliest model. Nixed due to clothing snafus and problems with bugs.

Peter doll, with action sword: Kept chopping off the ears of other dolls. Also tended to use dirty words from time to time. marketing disaster.

Paul doll: We had a pesky production problem--there was a thorn we just couldn't get out of the body. Nixed due to lawsuit concerns.

If this "Jesus" model doesn't work out...we might try one more model...maybe a Luke or John. Unfortunately, production problems have plagued us. We're having trouble getting the doll to speak 1611 English. It keeps reverting to 1769.

We'll keep you posted.

 

The only MEANS which should be used in preaching the Gospel is a Holy Bible. There is no instruction found in this Bible for engraving an image of the Godhead, and then giving this idol to little heathens in the hopes that they will set their affections upon it and pull its string.

 

The RCC doesn't use their images to worship them either, so your rebuttal is beyond silly, it is down right dishonest.

Accordding to the RCC their use of images are as aides to focus their thoughts. Not worship. Just ask them, they will tell you this.

You should have known this b4 making your reply. It was ill advised.

In addition; you admit that people will use anything as an "idolatrous image": therefore why would one encourage it by adding to it? Although Tim's INTENT is noble, the CONSEQUENCES are far from noble and can be disastrous. If just ONE child gets the wrong idea, then is it worth it?

Matthew 18:6 But whoso shall offend one of these little ones which believe in me, it were better for him that a millstone were hanged about his neck, and that he were drowned in the depth of the sea.

The offence is in the non-verbal APPROVAL of the use of images to represent the Godhead.

 

Dolls don't preach. Now, I take it you mean that you think that they cannot be used as a means to introduce preaching, but that is not what I said. Even so, there are better and more desirable ways to get someone's attention.

You must remember that children are very impressionable. What is it that these dolls will teach them? One thing it will teach them is how to change the "glory of the incorruptible God into an image made like to corruptible man."

 

Learn what "idol" means and we'll talk further on it.

What would you do with a doll that preached the Gospel

 

Bowing before a statue of Mary is not worship? According to Scripture it is! Putting Mary before Christ is not idolatry / worship? According to Scripture it is.

Accroding to Scripture, they are lying. You know..if it walks like a duck, and quacks like a duck...

Great example of eisegesis.

Is it just me, or do the people with 1611 attached to their name really have a case in talking about idolatry?

 

You said..."Preaching is the means that God ordained to reach the lost, not dolls." You separated preaching the Gospel from the dolls. Pulpits are used in preaching, microphones are used in preaching, powerpoint and pc's, lighting, radio, dramas, etc. The doll is nothing but one of these tools.

This is personal preference.

Isn't that what Christ became?

 

Bro Tiny Tim---I don't know if you are extremely brave or insane for putting this information on the BB>:godisgood: :laugh: :smilewinkgrin:

Bro Tony

 

I'm guessing Tim is bigger than this insane discussion. How effective would a discussion board be if everyone was afraid to put what they think or do on it for fear of persecution? Tim, you go boy!

 

You could always try Shadrach, Meshach and Abednego dolls.
PROS: Comes as a set, or individually. Fireproof.
CONS: Unfortunately, as action figures, they don't bend at all. Always stuck in the standing position.

:tongue3:

 

Definition 2 works for the Jesus Doll and an argument can be made for a couple of the others.

1. An image, form or representation, usually of a man or other animal, consecrated as an object of worship; a pagan deity. Idols are usually statues or images, carved out of wood or stone, or formed of metals, particularly silver or gold.

2. An image.

3. A person loved and honored to adoration. The prince was the idol of the people.

4. Any thing on which we set our affections; that to which we indulge an excessive and sinful attachment.
(Source: Webster's 1828)​

I have no idea...introduce it to Talky Tina maybe?

 

Nice dance, but you stumbled at the first word. After that it looks like hippity-hoppity. Try again.

The use of these dolls is giving approval to the use of images to represent the Godhead. And you KNOW it.

 

Here's my "lot's wife" doll:



wonder why it didn't sell?

 

You are right...they do have a case.

 

Regarding RCC not worshipping idols. In Spain recently I saw Catholocism in its true colours. In all the churches I visited there were massive, gold and jewel laden images of Mary, in the centre of everything with bright lights on "her." Off to the side and in the dark you will find a small, dark image of a man on a cross...

It speaks for itself.

 

Excellent example. I think that statue of "St. Peter" where the foot has been slowly eroded from the saliva of all the idol worshiper's kissing it, would be another good one. Of course, if just one person comes to Christ by kissing St. Peter's foot etc. etc. etc.

 

A little exaggerated don't you think, Rufus? I think your point has merit, but so does the other side of this issue.

 

If there is no possibility to probability that any of these children will be kissing their doll, then it may be exaggerated. However, it may just be Catholicism light.