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Our Secretary of State threatening Israels survival?

Chessic

New Member
Thanks for a thoughtful and articulate post.

The 'humiliation' discussed was seen from an Israeli perspective. Our government leaders regularly humiliate foreign leaders in the eyes of foreign governments.

Obama and Nethenyahu differ on this aspect of Israeli policy. Of course they are going to view Obama's actions as humiliating. I don't see how this disagreement over settlements can be seen as a general 'thinking poorly of Israel.'

I am not so sure that the current State of Israel has anything to do with Biblical Israel. My support for Israel comes from the fact that she has been a solid ally through the years.

Curious as to why you say the US did not stand by the Jews in WWII?

I'm not sure if you mean to say leaving a foreign leader who has traveled across continents to meet with you, while in the middle of a conversation, to go to dinner without him is an example of a common diplomatic snub, but I believe this was rude, insulting, and an example of how little this administration values Israel as an ally. This wasn't just from Israel's pov; I think many others, such as myself, see it as an insult as well. If I were in the Israeli entourage, I'd be tempted to tell Mr. Obama that his services are no longer required in the upcoming peace process discussions.

Referring to the disagreements over settlements, I believe the remarks of Sct. Clinton, scolding Israel for wanting to build apartments in its own capitol are evidence of this administration not backing Israel. Imo, suggesting that Israel should not build settlements on its own territory is siding with and empowering its enemies in this case, since this is their position. I expect our government to support Israel in the territorial disputes with Palestinians the way I would expect Israel to support the U.S., or at least stay out of the fight, in our territorial disputes with Native-Americans and African-Americans that want land as reparation, especially if they organize and turn violent, as has happened in Israel's conflict.

About Jews in WWII, I was referring to the repeated denial of entry, protection, and succor of Jewish refugees, particularly those that attempted to enter U.S. territorial waters aboard overcrowded refugee ships and were turned away during the height of Nazi persecution. This and the refusal of the U.S. to enter the war until forced, despite knowledge of what Hitler was doing to the Jews, are two examples of U.S. failure to help the Jewish people in WWII.
 
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NaasPreacher (C4K)

Well-Known Member
I'm not sure if you mean to say leaving a foreign leader who has traveled across continents to meet with you, while in the middle of a conversation, to go to dinner without him is an example of a common diplomatic snub, but I believe this was rude, insulting, and an example of how little this administration values Israel as an ally. This wasn't just from Israel's pov; I think many others, such as myself, see it as an insult as well. If I were in the Israeli entourage, I'd be tempted to tell Mr. Obama that his services are no longer required in the upcoming peace process discussions.

Other news sources seem to differ on the concept of a snub or humiliation, here is one for example.

http://www.israelnationalnews.com/News/News.aspx/134329

Sec Clinton seems have said nothing more than that if Israel wants to move in this direction they will have to do so without the support of the US. I think Israel is well able to do just that.

I would love to discuss more about the US and Jews in WWII - perhaps in another topic.
 
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