Outlawing snake handling in churches.

[JonC]

I believe they should have the right but its all smoke and mirrors, tame snakes anyway because I guarantee you they aren't going to pick up some of the snakes that show up on my property from time to time without going to hospital. On that note, maybe they should have to get a license to prove they have full medical coverage first so others aren't liable for paying their medical bills.

I don't think they are tame smakes (mostly because many have died and some are missing fingers from the venom. In NC one of tge pastores had died because he was bitten and had the "faith" not to seek help.

I'm going to start a frog handler church (aka "moderate" snake handlers). Toadism.

 

[General Mung Beans]

They sure aren't property of the state. Where is she specified in the First Amendment? Does it say those 18 and above have freedom of religion?

They aren't the property of anybody. Parents (or in some cases) their legal guardians have primary authority over their children, but in cases of abuse and neglect it behooves the State to step in and play a protective role. Where is it specified in the First Amendment that human sacrifices or child brides are not protected?

 

[Benjamin]

I don't think they are tame smakes (mostly because many have died and some are missing fingers from the venom. In NC one of tge pastores had died because he was bitten and had the "faith" not to seek help.

I'm going to start a frog handler church (aka "moderate" snake handlers). Toadism.

That’s kind of my point, the snake might be accustomed to close contact with people but you can’t trust them, that is the nature of a snake. On the other hand, I occasionally get a rattler on my property that you wouldn’t want to get within 4’ of because they will start striking and if you get with 2-3’ you’re gunna get bit. Some of those ill-tempered vipers will make you wish you had a longer shovel handle to get close enough to smack him! Then there are the snakes that you try to hit with a rock or a shovel and miss and they get ticked off and come after you!

One time I was walking across the property carrying a running hose and ran it over a big Sidewinder nestled under the dirt. He jumped out in a fury rattling and hit my shoe making me turn around to see him coming after me. He had me dancing for 15’ , swinging and jumping and striking and hit my shoe again in the process! Pure luck that I had the moves to avoid being bit.

A few years ago after a monsoon storm I went to the wash and came across the meanest cheekiest angriest musclebound 4’ rattler I’ve ever seen and you wouldn’t want to get within 10’ of that snake! Big difference between him and the snakes they try to handle! I guarantee if I were drop that snake in the middle of snake handling assembly they would be rolling down the aisles and out the door to clear the room just as fast as they could!

 

[Benjamin]

The snake was frightened and obviously felt threatened. The man made unlawful entry into its home. It exercised its constitutional right of self defense.

Peace to you

God gave man dominion over the animals, therefore it is my home not the snake's and I would have the God given right of self defense.

 

[canadyjd]

What you said was that puppy was answering your verbalized question about whether she wants to go with you. Okay, she was just acting like a puppy, as you say now.

You seem to be implying I am in favor of snake handling and/or keeping snakes as pets-- if not, why are you taking a lecture tone in response to my post you quoted? I am in favor of neither. And I think it's terrible there are so many that have bought pythons, to let them go when they realize they are too big to be kept and could be a fatal danger; + what they (the former keepers) have done to ecosystem of south Florida.

I said the puppy responds to how she is treated. You said to ask the puppy if she worshipped the devil. I pointed out that is kinda dark. I'm not lecturing, I'm having a little fun with the OP. Maybe you should try that sometime instead of taking things personally.

Peace to you

 

[canadyjd]

God gave man dominion over the animals, therefore it is my home not the snake's and I would have the God given right of self defense.

Killing a snake just because it's a snake is slithercide and strictly prohibited by international law. The Geneva Convention could come looking for violators

Peace to you

 

[Reynolds]

They aren't the property of anybody. Parents (or in some cases) their legal guardians have primary authority over their children, but in cases of abuse and neglect it behooves the State to step in and play a protective role. Where is it specified in the First Amendment that human sacrifices or child brides are not protected?

14th Amendment would cover both.

 

[Salty]

One time I was walking across the property carrying a running hose and ran it over a big Sidewind er nestled under the dirt. He jumped out in a fury rattling and hit my shoe making me turn around to see him coming after me. He had me dancing for 15’ , swinging and jumping and striking and hit my shoe again in the process! Pure luck that I had the moves to avoid being bit. !

Sounds like you were dancing there - Hmmmm better be getting to confession.................

 

[canadyjd]

Sounds like you were dancing there - Hmmmm better be getting to confession.................

Let's see...dancing...and a snake is involved...hummmm

 

[JonC]

Let's see...dancing...and a snake is involved...hummmm

Doesn't sound like a good idea does it.

 

[Benjamin]

Let's see...dancing...and a snake is involved...hummmm

I don’t want to brag or anything, ...but I think it’s a pretty safe bet to say this Baptist set a new snake-handling foot-speed dancing record that day.

 

[canadyjd]

I don’t want to brag or anything, ...but I think it’s a pretty safe bet to say this Baptist set a new snake-handling foot-speed dancing record that day.

I've always liked tap-dancing. The fact the rattler hit your shoe a couple of times probably gave you super-human speed. Glad it missed. I suspect you'll remember that forever.

When my son was about 7, he found a 4 foot rattler in the front yard sunning itself. My brother-in-law took a shovel and attempted to dig a hole so it could cool off. You probably won't believe it, but just when he started to dig, the snake committed suicide by putting its head under the spade.

Drat it!

Peace to you.

 

[Benjamin]

I suspect you'll remember that forever.

Yes, and I’ve grown to understand that snakes don’t like unexpected showers. Likewise, it is a good idea if you are in poor light that you should kick some dirt into the bushes to see if it brings a rattle before you relieve yourself on them. Otherwise this could be an especially inconvenient time which gives special meaning to getting caught with your pants down.

 

[JonC]

It is odd that the discussion is making dancing with deadly snakes illegal when it is illegal to drive to the service station without wearing a seat belt.

 

[church mouse guy]

Years ago Southern Gospel singer and comedian Wendy Bagwell told about singing in a church where they handled snakes.

 

[Salty]

But I DO believe no church should be allowed to perform any rite that can harm unwilling people, or practice any type of human sacrifice, including crucifying someone who's fully willing to undergo it. NNE SHOULD EVEN CONTEMPLATE IMITATING WHAT HAPPENED TO JESUS DURING HIS "PASSION" ! ! ! HIS sacrifice covered ALL sacrifices for all time! It was the ULTIMATE sacrifice! After all, He is God, & didn't have to suffer as he did, but He did it at His Father's will, and on our behalf.

There was that case of a pastor who was electrocuted in the baptismal waters. (from 2005)
Now if the candidate had been in there with him....

So you would not have a problem with the State/commonwealth making some laws about baptism?

 

[Salty]

It is odd that the discussion is making dancing with deadly snakes illegal when it is illegal to drive to the service station without wearing a seat belt.

Hmm - if I told the judge that wearing seat belts was against my religion......

 

[JonC]

Hmm - if I told the judge that wearing seat belts was against my religion......

And bring a snake.

 

[JonC]

Years ago Southern Gospel singer and comedian Wendy Bagwell told about singing in a church where they handled snakes.

He reminds me of Jerry Clower.

 

[Alcott]

Would outlawing snakehandling include the Hopi Snake Dance?
Hopi Snake Dance