P.O.D. turning Satanic!!

Amos 3:3 "Can two walk together, except they be agreed?"

POD walks with Marilyn Manson(admitted satanist), Kid Rock, Howard Stern, Ozzy Osborne (admitted satanist), Bob Marely (Rasta, VooDoo, Iron Maiden (encourages young people to take the mark of the beast), etc.

how much more proof does one need?

 

Mike, do you have anything to say worthy of bandwidth?

 

As if you could ever be a judge on the value of other's statements.

 

What do you mean "walks with"? Do they accept or encourage the sin of these people or do they stand firm in their faith and present their lives a living testimony?Please share your expertise.

 

Maybe an example of something they've done or said.

You are aware that the guys in POD were about five years old when Bob Marley died, aren't you?

You are aware that Ozzy Osbourne isn't really a Satanist, aren't you? When has he ever "admitted" such a thing?

When has Iron Maiden ever "encouraged young people to take the mark of the beast"?

Wow! Speaking of gullible.

 

I assume you're just as outraged by the name calling that takes place on av1611.com?

 

Where have Marilyn Manson and Ozzy Osbourne admitted being Satanists? Please provide a source to an actual quote.

 

Definition of the children of the Devil:

1 John 3:10 In this the children of God are manifest, and the children of the devil: whosoever doeth not righteousness is not of God, neither he that loveth not his brother.

Spoken of Paul to Elymas the sorcerer:
Acts 13:10 And said, O full of all subtilty and all mischief, thou child of the devil, thou enemy of all righteousness, wilt thou not cease to pervert the right ways of the Lord?

 

That wasn't what he said. He said they admitted being Satanists. I'd like to see that quote.

 

I don't know. We've been saying for a long time that we need more good Christian satire and av1611's bit about POD and rastafarianism may be the best Christian comedy since Issac Air Freight.

 

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Post your evidence of this fantastic claim.

As much as you will hate to admit it, secondary sources are legitimate evidence. Your task is to descredit that evidence with better evidence of your own. That's how debate works. You don't get to summarily dismiss evidence simply because it doesn't convince you. You must work to build your case, too. That is if you want to be taken seriously. If you don't want to be taken seriously, then continue in your present course.

 

Let's try this again captain. Your task is to show that what you present is evidence. So far I haven't seen anything to suggest that it is.

Show me how (and I mean literally demonstrate) performing with worldly bands with the intention to reach them and their audience with the message of the Gospel makes P.O.D. worldly. It is YOUR task to prove this, not anyone else's.

Claiming that someone who professes faith in Christ isn't a Christian is no light charge. I know it's easy for you to do. I know it requires no effort on your part. I am pretty sure that you derive extreme pleasure from it. I am almost certain that you feel all the more righteous and accepted by God for it. However I know for a fact that you have no understanding of the levity and seriousness of the claims you make against others from the ease and comfort of your armchair.

Irony

 

What is your criteria for evaluating evidence? Hint: you don't get to make up your own criteria.

 

Since the major point of contention here is whether or not the members of P.O.D. are christian, the evidence needs to show that their actions and character are ungodly in order to suggest otherwise. Every attempt by you finger pointers to pass moral judgement has failed miserably, and you know it. It's no secret that you desperately want them not to be Christians, and I find that extremely repulsive. This fact is given away by your concerted effort to find anything at all that would condemn them.

 

And the evidence from Watkins' site did not do that?

That was my point. Evidence has been posted, but instead of countering it with better evidence it has been summarily dismissed.

You don't have that privilege. Both sides must present evidence to substantiate their claims. There is no presumption of anything in a debate like this.

 

None of us have been given any evidence to even be dismissed! Wake up Aaron. You keep repeating the same excrement over and over. Nothing of what you guys have presented indicates that the members of P.O.D. are not Christians. Further more, none of you have even made the slightest attempt to demonstrate just how the nonesense you consider evidence should lead one to conclude that the members of P.O.D. aren't saved. Your witch hunt is a colossal failure. You don't get to burn anyone at the stake today. In other words, it's time to find a new object of your hatred.

You guys are the one's making the claim, not me or Jonathan, or Mike. The burden of proof is entirely on you. I know that you have a difficult time with this concept, but believe me, it's how debate works. You don't get to just say things like "They tour with Kid Rock and Marylin Manson. See I told tou they are unsaved!" You have to PROVE that their conduct and character are ungodly. Are you getting how this works yet? Do You see why the severity of your accusations require infinitely more proof than my position which by default must let God judge the heart?

 

First, it isn't excrement (though we all know what word was in your mind), and second, I see it's beginning to sink in. You tried to say that another thread was not a debate but a trial in order to avoid having to actually work at defending your position.

 

You expect people to take that site seriously?