I correct you repeatedly on that list -- here it is "again" with the corrections.
As already noted in Acts 14 and 16.
2. Timothy was saved in his childhood just as we see the saved pre-cross saints of Hebrews 11 - some of them IN heaven pre-cross as Hebrews 11 points out and as we see in Matt 17.
Acts 14 and 16 do not deal with the childhood of Timothy.
There is no passage in the Bible that clearly states that Timothy was saved in childhood.
Timothy is not mentioned among the OT saints in Hebrews 11. What makes you think he is??
A devout Jew is not saved because he is a devout Jew. He is saved when he believes on the Lord Jesus Christ. This makes the era that Timothy lived in different than the era that Moses lived in.
Even Nicodemus, a Rabbi and teacher of Israel was a devout Jew. I don't believe that he got saved or was born again in John 3, but he was born again some time before the death of Jesus as we see him working together with Joseph of Arimethea and other disciples of Jesus. Before that time he was ashamed to speak up for Christ.
When did Peter become a Christian?
Andrew found Peter. "Come and see; is this not the Messiah"?
Was he a believer before he met the Messiah or after? A Christian is one "who believes on the Lord Jesus Christ," not one who believes in the religion of Israel.
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3. Timothy was converted to Christianity when Paul first went to Lystra in Acts 14.
Yes, he was; not when he was a child. He may have had a mother who was a Jew, but his family was Gentile. He was not circumcised and not allowed entrance into the Temple. This is what most commentators believe--that Paul led Timothy to the Lord during his first stay in the area of Lystra. This makes sense, especially in light of such verses as:
1Ti 1:2 Unto
Timothy, my own son in the faith: Grace, mercy, and peace, from God our Father and Jesus Christ our Lord.
--The implication here is that Paul led him to the Lord.
He was in Lystra ca. 45 A.D., and then again about 7 years later in chapter 16 when he was older and more mature--both in age and spiritual maturity. In chapter 14 he was not a child!
4. Timothy was saved as a Jew precross -- just as all of them in Hebrews 11. And we see living proof the "one-gospel" precross salvation in the case case of Moses and Elijah who stood with Christ and also noticing the "Bible detail" that Enoch was in heaven - Gen 5 -- precross. So als admitted in Hebrews 11.
To think that Timothy lived pre-cross is absurd. He was a young man. When first contacted by Paul he may have been 18-20. Even if 20, and on Paul's first missionary he would have been born 25 A.D. or just 4 years before the death of cross. Very few people get saved that early in life, though there are some. But Timothy was saved under the ministry of Paul, not when he was four years old. He did not live pre-cross except for four years of his life. To claim "pre-cross" is ridiculous.
It is entirely possible that you would like this correct repeated even more than I already have.
if so - please let me know because until you respond to the correct as I have posted it here "again" it makes it look like you don't understand what the correction is.
I am not insisting that you agree with me - but you should at least know what the two views are.
What are your two views? I only see you post confusing contradictory statements.
He was saved under the ministry of Paul, and Paul calls him "his own son in the faith."
A. Paul's journey in Acts 14 is only a few years time between Acts 14 and Acts 16.
Your theory falls apart at that point since 'from Childhood" Timothy was in fact a saved saint. Though not yet a Christian Much like all of those in Hebrews 11 including Moses and Elijah in heaven in Matt 17.
1. Timothy did not live "pre-cross," thus your theories here fall apart.
2. It does not say that Timothy was saved during his childhood. You are reading something into this passage that isn't there.
3. There is no mention of Timothy in Hebrews 11. This is a total red herring.
I never argue 'two salvations' for Timothy -- we only see that stuff from you.
You have mentioned that he was saved in Acts 14 and as a child at the same time. Thus your posts are confusing and contradictory.
You have to be joking. That is exactly how Jewish lineage is determined it is Matrilineal
I believe you better go back and read your OT genealogies.
Is Abraham's genealogy through Abraham or through Sarah?
Does Noah's genealogy go through Noah or Noah's wife? What was Noah's wife anyway? Why don't we know? What about Shem, Ham and Japheth? If matriarchal who are their wives? Your argument is so weak and silly it needs no comment. The lineage always is through the man. What about your last name? Did it come from your father or mother?
Hence - Christ was a Jew.
Christ is God. He never gave up his deity. Your example is wrong. Why are you comparing Timothy to God unless you worship him as an idol?
In Acts 16 the whole reason Timothy is circumcised is that his mother was a Jew and under the Matrilineal rules - Timothy should have been circumcised. On the other hand Titus was not because he had not Jewish Mother and it was not an offense for him not to be circumcised.
You are talking nonsense again. Every family is patriarchal, Timothy's included. He wasn't circumcised because his father wouldn't allow him. He was saved under Paul's ministry. Paul took him and circumcised him that he would be useful to Paul when Paul ministered among the Jews.
In any case - the argument is about scripture and salvation from Timothy's childhood... not "who is a Jew"
Adam Clarke says this:
Able to make thee wise unto salvation - The apostle is here evidently speaking of the Jewish Scriptures; and he tells us that they are able to make us wise unto salvation provided we have faith in Jesus Christ. This is the simple use of the Old Testament. No soul of man can be made wise unto salvation by it, but as he refers all to Christ Jesus. The Jews are unsaved though they know these Scriptures, because they believe not in Christ; for Christ is the end of the law for the justification of all that believe.
