Parenthood Unconstitutional?

Direct intervention and by providing lawyers.

Joseph Botwinick

 

I see, we found an alternative to the teachers unions. I can't remember the name of the organization.

Would you say that the teachers unions, politically speaking, repersent the views of the average teacher?

 

I can only speak for the teachers I work with and have worked with in the past. In my experience, the majority agree with them on some issues and disagree with them on other issues. Politically speaking, as far as party politics goes, they tend to be in agreement with most teachers I know. Not with me. The leaders know this and they are still open to have me in the group and to help me if I need it.

Joseph Botwinick

 

What subject do you teach. My wife was k- 8. The worst thing was all the committee meetings and bus duty that caused her to have to stay late alot.

 

I teach band.

Committee meetings are not that bad for me. Our local union negotiated an agreement that made bus duty optional and teachers get paid an extra stipend for that duty.

Joseph Botwinick

 

Sounds like your union has more power to accomplish things than what was the case in NC. I am surpirsed that you teach Band, I thought you were to right brained for that. or would it be left brained. Anyhow, analytical people like youself are not usually the artisitc types. A man of many tallents!

 

I think I tend to be rather whole-brained in my thinking.

 

I bet you can consider the finer points of the verious political and religious points of some of the posistions here on BB or several Posisitions simutainously while conducting the band and balancing your check book at the same time Good night to you there in Arkansas.

 

Probably so. It is indeed, way past time for me to go to bed. Man, am I tired.

 

emeraldctyangel, you said something to the effect of:

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Um, yeah, you're right, they voted in their representatives and judges and now don't like the decision but that doesn't matter because since they might not know how to start a ballot you should have paid better attention in school Gina! They should ask what their tax dollars are used for.
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It's all perfectly clear now. Thanks for pointing that out.

 

Don't count on it. Remember "No Child Left Behind?"

There are all sorts of things lurking therein. And all passed by Congress, and signed into law.

And then, there's this...

The Psycho State
by Rep. Ron Paul, MD

A presidential initiative called The “New Freedom Commission on Mental Health” has issued a report recommending forced mental health screening for every child in America, including preschool children. The goal is to promote the patently false idea that we have a nation of children with undiagnosed mental disorders crying out for treatment.
http://www.atgpress.com/livid/livid037.htm

Still think Bush is a conservative?

 

I find it interesting that the date on that article is September of last year, and to this date, my school has not, to my knowledge, ordered mandatory mental health screenings. Galatian, I know you are also a teacher. Has anything changed down where you live? What is the status of this bill?

Joseph Botwinick

 

Your experience is the same as I had teaching in the public school. The one thing which bothered me more than anything else was lazy or belittling parents.

I was told by the administrators that they would recommend I join the union and why. I taught a subject where kids could get hurt and the union insured me against possible lawsuits. Plus my car insurance at the time was 100 dollars less per year.

 

web page

Three things are interesting in what I read about this commision:

1. I did not see any order to do mandatory Mental Health Screenings of all children in the public schools. The focus seems to be on those who have already been identified wit mental health or serious emotional disturbance issues to see how they can better, more efficiently be served.

2. I saw nothing in there that pits the rights of the parents against the state.

3. According to this, it was set to be terminated 2 years ago. This is hardly what one would consider a power grab by the government for our children. What is the current status of this commission?

Joseph Botwinick

 

Read here:

"The president's commission found that "despite their prevalence, mental disorders often go undiagnosed" and recommended comprehensive mental health screening for "consumers of all ages," including preschool children. According to the commission, "Each year, young children are expelled from preschools and childcare facilities for severely disruptive behaviours and emotional disorders." Schools, wrote the commission, are in a "key position" to screen the 52 million students and 6 million adults who work at the schools."
http://www.worldnetdaily.com/news/article.asp?ARTICLE_ID=39078

There's more, from that one...

"But the Texas project, which promotes the use of newer, more expensive antidepressants and antipsychotic drugs, sparked off controversy when Allen Jones, an employee of the Pennsylvania Office of the Inspector General, revealed that key officials with influence over the medication plan in his state received money and perks from drug companies with a stake in the medication algorithm (15 May, p1153). He was sacked this week for speaking to the BMJ and the New York Times."

Imagine that.

 

A recommendation was made to the president. I am guessing Bush recieves lots of recommendations every day from lots of different people. What actual actions have been taken on these recommendations and what is the current status of this committee? Also, has anything changed regarding this issue at your school? It hasn't at mine.

Joseph Botwinick

 

Not yet. But a few years ago, I was laughing at the idea that the federal government would be taking over the role of quality assurance for our local schools.

And now, that's a reality. And a commission appointed by the same president who did that, is now recommending that we have mandatory mental health screening for students.

I'm not laughing any more.

 

What action has the president taken on that recommendation? What is the current status of this commission?

Joseph Botwinick

 

The odd thing about this fuss it that the questionaire was NOT providing information, it was asking. Furthermore, the questions obviously seemed designed to discover inappropriate sexual thoughts (for their ages) which points to inappropriate sexual experiences, namely that of having been molested. Children who have not been sexualized will probably dismiss the questions as weird and yucky.

Tell me why this is harmful and outrageous - especially in view of the permission slip.

 

1. The survey given to the kids was different than the one that was shown to the parents when they signed the permission slip.

2. Children that young should not be presented with those ideas...even in the form of a question.

3. Putting ideas into children's minds about being molested can be dangerous. I believe we should have learned that lesson back in the 80's with the psychos down in Texas who put the thoughts in the children's minds, who then wrongfully accussed their parents, who were then put in prison for a long time and recently had their convictions overturned when the truth was revealed that the "psychologists" basically brainwashed the kids into believing their parents were monsters.

But, perhaps your right, Daisy. What really is the big deal anyway? You don't have kids, I am guessing?

Joseph Botwinick