Parenthood Unconstitutional?

What were the specific differences?

What nonsense. One of the good things the schools do is teach children that they have the right to object to inappropriate touching AND that there is such a thing. Asking a child if he or she ever thinks about touching someone's private parts is hardly likely to trigger a sex-obsession, especially as this is asked in a clinical, not a suggestive, manner.

That was a totally different situation and you should be able tell the difference between asking a set of identical, predetermined questions and brainwashing and threatening kids to make up stuff so they could go home.

Yes, mine right, Josesph.

 

"What nonsense. One of the good things the schools do is teach children that they have the right to object to inappropriate touching AND that there is such a thing. Asking a child if he or she ever thinks about touching someone's private parts is hardly likely to trigger a sex-obsession, especially as this is asked in a clinical, not a suggestive, manner."--------------------------------------------------------------

It was not done clinically. That is it was not done in a treatment or assesment situation on a child who was showing signs of Abuse. It was a general survay given to several grades at once. Again, you are willing to force the facts to fit your view instead of letting them lead you to the truth.

 

Let's be real; teachers and administrators lack the sort of training necessary to do this in a clinical fashion.

Counselors might be able to do it. Maybe.

 

I pray you're right, Joseph! I pray you're right!!

I was educated in public school---1-12 grade--and from the start to finish---everything the public school "programed" in me--concerning things like evolution, sex education, etc.---everything they "programmed" in me----each day when I stepped off the bus and got home---my daddy and momma just started "de-programming"---thats right---they would "deprogram" the program.

I bless the Lord Jesus Christ every day of my life that the Jesus who was the "greater is He that is in you than he that is in the world" that was IN my daddy and momma---got into me---so that from the time they finally "released" me into the world---the "greater is He" that was in them---got in me, too!!

Now--I homeschool my kids---and have learned that through the word from the Word---I can have power over the evil---and will tell my children the TRUTH that comes from the truth of Scripture!!

 

No? How was it done exactly? Compared to the situation Joseph referred to, it was clinical. No leading questions asked, the children were not threatened or cajoled.

That's right, it was given generally to children but it was an assessment.

And how does that contradict it being an assessment?

Not at all. I have not "forced" any facts. Ny view was formed in reading the court opinion. Did you read it?

 

Praise God for parents who loved you and taught you the truth of God. I, also, went to public school, was taught evolution, sex ed was done with parent's permission only where I went to school, and had parents that were patient with me, debated with my teachers through me, would call the pastor at 8 at night to debate with me. I was a rather obstinate and hard headed person (many might say that I still am). I guess where I was different was that I didn't intimidate too easily and was willing to debate my science teachers, my parents, my pastor, anyone really. My experiences, all and all, I believe helped me be a more objective thinker and to learn to think for myself and to challenge everything. I guess nothing has really changed since then.

Joseph Botwinick

 

Good point Joseph.

I'm just waiting on some idiot to find a lawyer and file a petition to prevent parents from teaching things like Creationism to their home-schooled kids. (or at least try to force them to teach evolution, among other non-Christian beliefs).

This may sound like a sick joke----but, I'm not joking---just wait....the way this country is headed, it WILL happen.

 

Kristi Seymour, research study coordinator, administered the survey. The survey was written and she sat with the students while they read and answered the questions on a set scale from "never" to "all the time".

Should the school not try to identify the children at risk or what the baseline "normal" answers should be?

 

"I guess nothing has really changed since then"---------------------------------------------------

Nope, nothing has changed

Daisey, I think you are using the word to mean scientifically or professionally. I did not say this was not the case. Clinically, would mean in the manner of a clinic. The clinic is used for treatment and assesments as it relates to diagnosis. This did not qualify as a clinic. If it was it was a mass clinic and was malpractice. A clinic would deal with a patient who was potentially in need of treatment. That is not what this was, but if it were, it would be like forceing all teenagers to submit to a pelivic exam to find STD's. It is just not done in that manner.

 

Then why are you arguing about it? If you know what I meant by it, and since I was the one who first used the word "clinically" in reply to Joseph, it is not for you to tell me which sense of the word is to be used in this discussion.

Except that is NOT how I used it as you just got through stating.

There is more than one type of clinic.

The survey was developed as part of a study for the assessment of trauma in children. They were trying to establish a baseline of a normal range of answers at different age groups.

So who said it did? This is still a preliminary step to help future, individual assessments.

What a bizarre argument! Do you really believe that a questionaire designed to screen children for psychological trauma would be the same as a pelvic exam?

 

"What a bizarre argument! Do you really believe that a questionaire designed to screen children for psychological trauma would be the same as a pelvic exam? "------------------------------------------------------------------------------------

Well Daisy, I guess you don't think getting into someones mind uninvited is as personal as getting into someones pelvis. I don't necessarily think it is the same but the comparison makes a point, but you obviously don't get it.

I don't think you were the first one to suggest that this was done to id and help sex abuse victims. I think you got in in the middle of that conversation. If you were departing from the conversation that had already developed then that would be the source of the confusion over the word Clinical. The other since of clinic would be a group learning session. That would be even a worse reason.

 

Actually, what difference does it make if it was done as a clinical assessment in order to try to help someone?

Parents have the right to tell a school not to talk to their kids about ANYTHING, whether its sexual or not. PARENTS are supposed to be in charge of their own children in this country....but the gov't has started more and more to try to gradually take that away. The school systems are more and more ignoring and sidelining parents.

Parents with kids in public schools need to stay VERY involved in their kids' education. They have the right to look over and critique the curriculums their school uses. They have the right to complain when the teachers or school system does something that violates their parental authority, or something that infringes on what they see as their parental duties.

We as Christians are starting to fall into the trap of thinking that PARENTS don't know any better, teachers and administrators know what's best for their kids.

 

Something is horribly wrong when little children are so abused by the school in this manner. What's even worse is that some of us on here defend it. I do expect it from Daisy, but not most of the rest.

In no way can I ever consider public schools as friends of families. And my own father was a career teacher and administrator in the local system.


Our 2 remaining children at home were in a Christian school last year. And it was only because someone anonymously helped with our tuition, that it was possible, as we could not afford it all on our own. This year we refinanced our home, in part, to keep one of them in school. The other is home schooled this year, using curriculum from the school. In our minds it is manditory, and we'll go so far as to sell our home in order to keep them out of public education.


The spiritual fight is for the hearts and souls of children today and satan has almost complete control of the k-college system's morals and nearly all the United States's court system.

 

I am so thankful that we still have alternatives to public education, and I know the NEA would dearly love to abolish them.

 

Good stuff, Carpo, I appreciate that effort.


Parents have the right to tell a school not to talk to their kids about ANYTHING, whether its sexual or not. PARENTS are supposed to be in charge of their own children in this country....but the gov't has started more and more to try to gradually take that away. The school systems are more and more ignoring and sidelining parents. -----------------------------------------------------------------------------

When public education first started the vision was to teach the three r's and one or two extra curricualr activities. It was very utilitarian. But now the public schools have evolved to try and institute their vision of society and their values. That is why they think they should push into every aspect of life and usurp the authority of parents. They think they can create a utopia if they can just counter the "negative" influence of all the closed minded parents. That is quite presumptious considering I would give my life for my child in the blink of an Eye, and they have to work hare just to remember my children's names. But it takes a village right? The schools along with holliwood and the left wing work together to try and indocrinate our children. I wish our schools would get back to teaching and stop indoctrinating.