Paris Burning: PC Media Blackout?

[Matt Black]

Originally posted by Bunyon:
"I should add that the cabs didn't stop before the riots started."
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I doubt if the folks ritoting were good citizens and just sudenly began to riot. I imagine there have been problems before.

I ask again - have you actually been there?

 

[Bunyon]

"I ask again - have you actually been there"

And your point is???

 

[LadyEagle]

It doesn't matter if someone has been there or not.

Whoever these people are and whatever their ideology and whatever their status, whatever they believe or wherever they are from - the bottom line is they are idiots and savages.

People rise above their circumstances unless they are intellectually, mentally, and spiritually bankrupt. That seems to be the case unless we are to believe that muslims in France, Belgium, Germany, and Denmark are all mistreated and don't fit in. If they don't fit in with all of us infidels, then that's their fault - they should move to a muslim country and have a happy life. Otherwise, we infidels better wake up and see the forest for the trees - it's the Third Jihad.


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[Matt Black]

If you haven't been there, if you haven't witnessed someone being beaten up by the police by virtue of the colour of their skin, if you haven't witnessed the squalor in which these people live, then I'm sorry but you really don't know what you're talking about; all you can do is pontificate from your comfortable middle-class keyboards from afar.

 

[Matt Black]

Oh, and attributing this to the creeping influence of Islam is IMHO a gross oversimplification which plays right into the hands of the fascist National Front.

American posters - do not assume that your preoccupations and those of the French co-incide. I've been following the French newsources and have been struck by how little discussion there has been of any religious element in what's going on. While the occupants of the banlieux may be predominantly Muslim, that does not mean the stroppy youths are Islamicist extremists. Nor does it mean that they don't want to be French. Their complaint more seems to be that the French state has no place for them - they underperform in the rather rigid French education system, then find no jobs, no way out of the grotty housing estates. In fact I have heard that they view the imams as another part of the repression on their lives - the kids do not seem to be overtly religious at all. Certainly some imams have put a fatwa on rioting, which may back this view. And the rioters also include white youths in a similar social position.

There is a long tradition of public political protest in France, which is why the govt may not have acted immediately. The symbolic actions seem to have changed however from digging up the cobble stones (not available in the banlieux) to throw at the forces of law and order to burning cars. And of course the distruction, fear and danger are real, not symbolic - but then they always were.

So, all this ridiculous talk about this being the start of a Third Jihad is just that - ridiculous.

 

[LadyEagle]

Except, isn't it true that some imams have indeed encouraged the rioting, and are fanning the flames, etc.?

Are you suggesting that the muslims in France, Germany, Belgium, Denmark - ALL are impoverished and neglected, abused, discriminated against, etc.? I find that - RIDICULOUS.

Here's an article from 2004 about the French imams, by the way:

Preaching for the Enemy
By Olivier Guitta
FrontPageMagazine.com | June 15, 2004

France is home to the largest Muslim community in Europe -- estimated between 5 and 8 million, roughly over 10 percent of France’s total population. In the past few years, the radical element of these French citizens has grown quickly, and is quietly overpowering more moderate Muslim voices. Many French Muslims idolize Osama bin Laden and consider the destruction of synagogues and assault of Jews to be justified retribution. These worrisome phenomena are caused by a number of things: increasing influence of radical imams in French mosques, the penetration of Saudi Wahhabism and extremist satellite networks spreading their propaganda.

I recently discussed these issues with Jean Francois Cope, spokesman of the French government, during a press conference in Washington DC. First, I asked Mr. Cope: knowing that 91 percent of the imams preaching in France are foreigners and most of them are illegal immigrants, does it not make sense to expel them, particularly those preaching hatred?


He answered that France cannot just expel them because these hate-mongering imams have been around for a while, as has their families. It would not be proper. Perhaps other French officials realized how silly this answer is, since very recently France expelled 5 of the most outrageously extremist imams since the beginning of the year. But in a country with 1,500 imams, this is just a drop in the ocean.



But exporting extremists isn't likely to make much of a dent in the growing radical movement, considering the impact Saudi Arabian Wahhabism has on French Islam. According to Stephen Schwartz and Dore Gold, both prominent experts on Saudi Arabia, the country funds 80 percent of every mosque and Islamic center in France. Saudi Arabia financed the very luxurious Institute of the Arab World in Paris. Also, Le Monde recently reported that Saudi Arabia is going to finance the restoration of the Paris Mosque.



So I asked Mr. Cope his opinion on this issue. Disappointingly, he denied any presence of Saudi Arabian influence in France. He added that the government was adamant in building a French Islam and as such is working with the French Muslim Council (FMC) to demand that future imams speak French. Today, more than 50 percent do not speak the vernacular, but Mr. Cope says time will change this.



Unfortunately, his optimism might be very short-lived for a couple of reasons. First, one of the main Muslim organizations in the FMC is the Union des Organizations Islamiques de France (French Union of Islamic Organizations, UOIF) - which is affiliated with the Muslim Brotherhood, the terrorist movement founded in 1928 in Egypt. Second, the Arab newspaper Al Watan recently reported that the Saudi sponsored Islamic Countries Educational, Scientific, Cultural Organization (ICESCO) is going to finance a new school for training new French imams. So much for a true independent, foreign-free French Islam.

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Such a "live and let live" attitude came back to bite the French - and three other countries going through the fires right now - as it will eventually come back to bite the Brits and Americans in the not too distant future.

 

[church mouse guy]

I agree that this is a muslim issue. It is muslims who are rioting and burning property. Unlike the L.A. riots in 1992, we hear that muslims are very careful not to touch muslim property. Matt, I respectfully suggest that you dress as an orthodox Jew and visit the areas in riot and see first-hand if there is a religious element in this rioting or not--no, don't--you would be lucky to get out alive. This is another Crystal Night by the new nazis, muslims.

 

[Matt Black]

Please re-read this part of my last post:-

Originally posted by Matt Black:
Certainly some imams have put a fatwa on rioting, which may back this view. And the rioters also include white youths in a similar social position.

 

[Bunyon]

"banlieux may be predominantly Muslim, that does not mean the stroppy youths are Islamicist extremists."-------------------------------------------------------------------------------------

I watched personal interviews of black muslims in fance and they said with their own lips they were upset because they can't get jobs BECAUSE they are Muslim. BTW, they were well fed, groomed and dressed- Go figure.

"There is a long tradition of public political protest in France,..."

So now you will tell us that these well fed well groomed folks who are given free medical care are doing something equivalent to storming the Bastiel.

How could anyone not worry about Jihads after 9/11.

Just as I suspected Matt. You are a multiculturea idealouge who can't escape your world view to find the facts. Ninty percent of the world would sell all they have to to trade places with them. The problem the whole socialistic system of Europe is broken and now the truth is being displayed for the whole world to see.

There is not a single point on the globe where Muslims are not raising hell, thats a fact, but you will always be able to find multicultural excuses for it.

 

[church mouse guy]

Thank you, Bunyon. You would think that the bombings in London and Madrid would have awakened Europeans to the meaning of Nine Eleven and show them how they are even more vulnerable than we are.

 

[Matt Black]

Bunyon, you've messed up your code as well as your spelling so I can't auto-quote you but will do mt best to do it manually:-

they were upset because they can't get jobs BECAUSE they are Muslim

Right. That's a large part of the problem - discrimination in the workplace

they were well fed groomed and dressed...who are given free medical care

So I suppose you would prefer that they were starving and wearing rags and not being treated for their illnesses? And there I was thinking this was a Christian discussion board! Silly me!

Actually, France doesn't have free medical care for all although it is considerably cheaper than in the US and there are exemptions for the poor - one of the things we can be justifiably proud of in Europe.

You are a multiculturea (sic) idealouge (sic) who can't escape your world view to find the facts

And I suspect you are a monocultural neo-imperialist who can't be bothered to even leave his country and visit the place to find the facts.

There is not a single point on the globe where Muslims are not raising hell, that's a fact

Actually, try Britain, where the overwhelming majority of Muslims are law-abiding citizens who are well-integrated, despite the warnings of Trevor Phillips and the Commission for Racial Equality (CRE) re ghettoisation which do need to be taken seriously, who contribute to the social political and cultural life of this country, that's a fact. Consider the differences:-

1. Britain has the CRE. No CRE or equivalent body in France.

2. Far-right racist anti-Semitic party in Britain (BNP) gets 4% of the vote. Far-right racist party in France (National Front) gets 15%

3. No black or Asian members of the French National Assembly or significant media figures. Many black and Asian Westminster MPs, members of the House of Lords, newsreaders, TV presenters, sports personalities

4. etc, etc

 

[church mouse guy]

Stockholm syndrome, anyone?

 

[Matt Black]

No, just the facts.

 

[carpro]

Originally posted by Matt Black:
If you haven't been there, if you haven't witnessed someone being beaten up by the police by virtue of the colour of their skin, if you haven't witnessed the squalor in which these people live, then I'm sorry but you really don't know what you're talking about; all you can do is pontificate from your comfortable middle-class keyboards from afar.

Do you ever comment on the conduct of American troops in Iraq? Have you been there?

 

[Matt Black]

Close, but no cigar: any comment I make there is based on the information presented by the media, as do most other posters and is qualified by that caveat. Here, you have eyewitness testimony - my own - as to the state and condition of these banlieux and their inhabitants, and yet you choose to believe the evidence presented by the media in preference

 

[poncho]

Originally posted by church mouse guy:
Thank you, Bunyon. You would think that the bombings in London and Madrid would have awakened Europeans to the meaning of Nine Eleven and show them how they are even more vulnerable than we are.

They sure learned that wanting to pull their troops out of the armed forces of the NWO will bring dire conseqences and more restrictions on their freedoms. The police staters love riots it brings them more power, control and funding.

Order Out Of Chaos. Yeah buddy!

 

[church mouse guy]

I am not sure what kind of state you want, Pancho. I wonder if you just want sort of survival of the fittest?

 

[Fundamentalist1611]

Hey Matt, was it Brits that blew up the Subway in London....or was it Muslims?

You're simply misinformed and have been misled by a biased liberal, communist/socialist media.

 

[poncho]

Originally posted by church mouse guy:
I am not sure what kind of state you want, Pancho. I wonder if you just want sort of survival of the fittest?

A (more) constitutionally limited state would be okay with me. Something more inline with what I thought we were working towards in the 1980's before conservtives were Neo Conned and scared into fighting wars for the globalist's benefit.

Holding public servants including judges accountable to the same zero tolerance policies they pass on to us would be a good start.

 

[poncho]

Originally posted by Fundamentalist1611:
Hey Matt, was it Brits that blew up the Subway in London....or was it Muslims?

You're simply misinformed and have been misled by a biased liberal, communist/socialist media.

Or you've been propagandized by a radical right wing PR machine, or both...yeah that's it Matt you've been duped by both! Cuz they both toe the globalist line.

The globalists want a one world police state. They get it through the same ancient tactics any Roman general would use, divide and conquer...keep the barbarians at each others throughts, ramp up the fear and suspicion on both sides and force their police state legislation on the scared and sheepish vassals of their occupied nation states. Like Great Britain and the United States, Australia, Spain, Italy, even Russia is passing the same police state laws.

Same old plays from the same old playbook.