Part 2: OK... I still have these nagging questions:

Okay, I'll chime in and vote for the "one salvation" ticket. The passage in I Timothy 2 isn't referring to being saved from our sins, saved for eternity, saved by the blood of Christ, etc. What Paul is saying is that if a woman continues in faith, charity, etc. she will be kept safe through the peril of childbirth, even though God told Eve that her pain and distress in childbirth would increase. (because of her transgression Paul mentions in v. 14)

Sorry to take so long in "voting" but work keeps interfering with keeping up with the BB.

Les

 

So, while I disagree with your interpretation, I understand you to be saying that there is more than one type of salvation in the bible? In this case, the physical salvation of a woman in childbearing?

 

There would be a lot more dents in the front of buses and trains.

It could be a tourist attraction!

"And now, ladies and gentlement, we are approaching the blind corner where hundreds of Christians annually fling themselves in front of buses, so cross your fingers and hope for a good show!"

 

Hmm... When we say that, we're called heretics, so you must be a heretic as well!

 

So obviously this word means something else. I don't think that lbaker's interpretation is the correct answer, would you like to take another stab at it?

 

Sure, and the point is...?

 

This is how I interpret the verse, too. If women could get saved (as in eternal life) through childbirth, that would contradict clear verses in the BIble to the contrary. It might also lead to overpopulation. (Just kidding about the latter.)

 

I couldn't have said it better myself! Yet some say there is but one salvation.
I see that though you did not answer the question, you would be in agreement that this salvation is not the same one experienced when one believes upon Christ?

And then there were two.

I wonder if there might be other examples of even more salvations?

 

The point is that they're going to start preaching 4 salvations and 4 gospels now. Spirit, soul, body, and healthy childbirth.

 

The point is that we cannot just dogmatically insist that every time we see the word 'saved' it means eternal salvation by grace through faith alone. It should be obvious that if works are involved (ie continuing in faith and charity and holiness with sobriety) that it is talking about something else.

 

Then we must conclude that

a) Godly women never die in child-bearing.
b) All women who have children are very holy.

 

IBaker,

Thank you for your post,

The point we are trying to make is this.
There is salvation past, present, and future.

There are other terms used but we will try with these.

Some here will make a bold assestment by saying there is but one salvation.

There is but one spiritual salvation. Not by our deeds but by the death, burial, and resurection of Christ.

BUT this is not the only salvation mentioned, nor dealt with in scripture.

As you have pointed out, II Tim 2 doesn't deal with spiritual salvation. How can one continue to say there is only one salvation in scriptures when to this point in conversation we have seen at least two?

This is the point we are making. It is sad but those who hate the Kingdom teachings we proclaim have learned very well how to speak from both sides of their mouth. The message they relay is constantly changing.

One minute there is one salvation, another moment... who knows.

One minute we are the ones that believe in a God that punishes and doesn't love, another moment they argue that he does punish, and the World goes around, and around and around.

God bless.

 

You have yet to tell us hpw many you preach?

Does this verse speak of salvation of the spirit or have you added another salvation to your list of true doctrines?

Oops! All is going so fast, I missed your blog where you now admit of 2 salvations.

Now that you cannot debate truthfuly that there is one salvation mentioned and dealt with in scripture.......
Anymore you want to agree with before we go any farther?

 

You beat me to it.