APOLOGY TO MODERATOR: Sorry about the length. I tried to avoid unnecessary quoting and dealt with the issue as briefly as I could.
Originally posted by John3v36:
Matthew 19:9 And I say unto you, Whosoever shall put away his wife, except it be for fornication, and shall marry another, committeth adultery: and whoso marrieth her which is put away doth commit adultery.
Mark 10:11 And he saith unto them, Whosoever shall put away his wife, and marry another, committeth adultery against her.
(1)These are parallel passages. One says you can put away your wife for fornication; the other makes no mention of it. Why is that? They are both teaching on the same topic. The Matthew passage was written to the Jews who would have an understanding from the law that fornication carried a death sentence. The gentiles to whom Mark wrote would not have had the same understanding. So in Matthew you are still saying the only good reason for a divorce would be if she died. In which case there really is not a divorce as is clearly taught in Rom. 7.
Let's take a deep breath and look at your argument very carefully:
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You say that Jesus is speaking to Jews who know that the penalty for sexual sin is death (even if it wasn't actually always carried out) and that is the reason Matthew includes the statement. I don't understand the point you are making by contrasting it with the Mark passage. As for the statement that the only reason for divorce is if the spouse dies is unusual to say the least. If the spouse dies, divorce is irrelevant. (Or is that the point? Do you believe Jesus is using a humorous impossibility?)
Given that is true and that this scripture passage in Matthew is authoritative, then there are two outcomes for Jewish believers who obey Jesus' teaching on this subject:
1) If the spouse in caught in sexual sin, they are executed and the surviving spouse is widowed, not divorced. They are free to remarry.
2.) If the spouse in caught in sexual sin, they are not executed but the innocent spouse is allowed to divorce the offending spouse because the spirit of the Law is in effect even though the sentence wasn't carried out.
Therefore, in cases of adultery, at least the people who follow the teachings of Jesus are allowed to divorce their spouses for sexual sin.
But then you may respond, "The marriage isn't over in the second case because the spouse is still alive!" and point to Romans 7. Romans 7 is not talking about divorce, but instead is an illustration of our new life in Christ. We are not longer married to the Law because we have died to the Law (Romans 7:4) and have been raised to live in Christ. Paul is also making the point that we cannot have two spouses, the Law and Christ. We are being unfaithful both the Law and Christ if we try to follow both. (I'm not saying Paul teaches that the law is evil or that we should completely ignore the Law -- see Galatians and read Romans carefully -- but instead, we are called to live by the Spirit and leave all of the ceremonial Law behind since it was incomplete and only pointed to Christ.) The only thing that Paul is saying about marriage is that we shouldn't have two husbands at the same time! Divorce is not considered here, only death. And if the death of a spouse allows the surviving spouse to remarry, then certainly an innocent party should be able to remarry without having to gather a mob together to end the life of his spouse!
But then you may respond, "Jesus said that man and woman would become one flesh! He also said "what God has joined together, let man not separate." (See Matthew 19:1-12 for context)
That is an interesting point, but lets look carefully at the passage:
Matthew 19:3 - The Pharisees were testing Him and asked if it was lawful for a man to divorce his wife for *any* reason. (Apparently, it was very common in the day for men to dump their wives, just like today.)
Matthew 19:4-5 - Jesus explains the original intent of marriage and the spiritual, emotional and physical union a man and a woman experience. He says they are no longer two, but one -- that is, they marry their fortunes and future together as a team. After explaining the sacred relationship of marriage, Jesus said, "Therefore what God has joined together, let man not separate." The statement is a blessing and a strong statement is response to the Pharisees question about divorcing a wife for just any reason. (VERY IMPORTANT)-> Jesus did *not* say, "What God has joined together, man *cannot* separate." Clearly it is possible for man to have a divorce that God recognizes, otherwise Jesus would not have said what He said. (In my opinion, God recognizes divorce as the ending of a marriage. He does not approve of many divorces, but He certainly knows that the relationship has been severed and the bonds of marriage are broken. If you disagree, please post scripture which demonstrates God does not recognize divorce when he sees it.)
Matthew 19:9 - Jesus gives the exception clause in His statement against divorce.
Matthew 19:10 - Notice that the disciples were shocked when they found out that they could not divorce their wives for any reason. This command went strongly against their culture. It hits our hard too, which unlike insider trading, is "a good thing(tm)".
Conclusions:
1) Divorce is sometimes permissible.
2) When a person is divorced, the marriage is over.
3) If you have divorced unrighteously, remarriage is considered unfaithfulness to the former spouse.
4) If you have divorced righteously, then you are free to remarry and you do not sin and no one should hold a grudge against you.
5) Divorce is not a good thing but is sometimes the best option out of a bunch of lousy options.
[ July 19, 2002, 02:06 AM: Message edited by: Baptist Believer ]