Pastors call to fly Christian Flag above U.S. Flag

[Sapper Woody]

Would God not get the place of honor as your father did? Why would the country get the place of honor above God?

Similarly to my analogy, replacing my father in a place of honor with my wife, it wouldn't show any more honor to my wife, but show dishonor to my father.



Regardless of our intent to show honor to one flag, the world wouldn't see it. They would only see dishonor on the other. This would hurt our testimony with the world, and ultimately bringing more dishonor to the symbol we're trying to show more honor for.

 

[Sapper Woody]

And you think that is an equal comparison?

It is to the world, and that's my point.

Yes, because the issue is not about illegals coming into America and disrespecting our country. It is not about another country at all.

You have to view it from the viewpoint of the world. They will view it as a dishonor, again, bringing dishonor to the very symbol we'd be trying to honor.

It may not but it does to many many Christians.

I understand that it does, but I don't understand why.

 

[McCree79]

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Regardless of our intent to show honor to one flag, the world wouldn't see it. They would only see dishonor on the other. This would hurt our testimony with the world, and ultimately bringing more dishonor to the symbol we're trying to show more honor for.

So, it would be better for the church to just take down the American flag and run the Christian Flag, as Crabtownboy as stated earlier(or more exact he said cross)? You can't expect all churches to continue to fly the American flag when the country (government and people) don't represent the preceptive will of God.

 

[Sapper Woody]

So, it would be better for the church to just take down the American flag and run the Christian Flag, as Crabtownboy as stated earlier(or more exact he said cross)? You can't expect all churches to continue to fly the American flag when the country (government and people) don't represent the preceptive will of God.

I would be ok with that. Not flying a flag is fine. There's nothing dishonorable about that. I think it's unnecessary, but it wouldn't be wrong or insulting.

 

[Revmitchell]

It is to the world, and that's my point.

So you are saying. It seems to more presumptuous on your part more than anything else.

You have to view it from the viewpoint of the world. They will view it as a dishonor, again, bringing dishonor to the very symbol we'd be trying to honor.

I don't know that.

 

[Don]

So, it would be better for the church to just take down the American flag and run the Christian Flag, as Crabtownboy as stated earlier(or more exact he said cross)? You can't expect all churches to continue to fly the American flag when the country (government and people) don't represent the preceptive will of God.

Take down the Christian flag -- I'd almost agree with. I don't know the history of the Christian flag, but I've always associated flags as symbols for countries. This country was founded on the principle of freedom of religion, not any particular religion. The Christian flag doesn't make sense to me, as our "symbols" are the Cross and the Bible. I say "almost" because I also believe in personal and spiritual liberty. If God is moving you to display the Christian flag, then do so.

Take down the cross -- nope. Never.

 

[JonC]

. I've always associated flags as symbols for countries. .

there is the POW MIA flag, and when I was in service each branch had its own flag as well.


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[Zaac]

Placing the protestant flag above the national flag would not be showing a place of honor to the protestant flag, regardless of intent. It would be showing dishonor to the national flag.



When I got married, I left my father and mother, and joined my wife. I love her more than any other person in this world. However, when we meet as an extended family for meals, my father gets a seat that symbolizes a place of honor, not my wife. This does not mean I love my father more than my wife.



It's the same with the flags. We are to honor the national flag, but that does not mean we love the country more than we love God.



To dishonor the national flag doesn't show love of God, it shows hatred of the world.

Well said.:thumbsup:

 

[Zaac]

Similarly to my analogy, replacing my father in a place of honor with my wife, it wouldn't show any more honor to my wife, but show dishonor to my father.



Regardless of our intent to show honor to one flag, the world wouldn't see it. They would only see dishonor on the other. This would hurt our testimony with the world, and ultimately bringing more dishonor to the symbol we're trying to show more honor for.

That's EXACTLY what it would do.

So I say again, if Christians need people to know that they honor God before country, do it with a Holy lived life that gives God His due honor. Don't try to excuse it on a flag.

The whole Christian flag thing will become another example of us having no substance. Folks will rally around it because they think it's such a good idea as an expression of our honoring God over country.

The only problem is that the people inside the church aren't doing that. It will become like the fish symbols.

Stick a Cross finial at the top of the flagpole. But placing a flag above the US flag is just a bad idea for a whole host of reasons.

 

[Zaac]

So, it would be better for the church to just take down the American flag and run the Christian Flag, as Crabtownboy as stated earlier(or more exact he said cross)? You can't expect all churches to continue to fly the American flag when the country (government and people) don't represent the preceptive will of God.

No one has ever made a church fly the American flag. It became more of the "thing" to do as churches became more and more politically influenced. I've never seen any reason to display the US flag in a church or outside a church other than for special occasions (holidays, to show national unity, recognition of servicemen, funerals, etc.).

 

[Crabtownboy]

I have found no record indicating when the national flag was first displayed in a church. It was officially sanctioned as permissible to do so in Catholic churches in 1911.

I did find an article that shows the flag being used in the United States by German Lutheran Churches during WW I. This was done to show the congregation sided with the US and not Germany. Many non-German Americans harbored ill feelings toward Germans during WW I and, indeed, in WW II. If this is true it means the flag was shown for a secular reason, a secular reason and not a spiritual one.

http://www.wlsessays.net/files/ValleskeyHistoryUseFlagsLutheranChurch.pdf

 

[Don]

there is the POW MIA flag, and when I was in service each branch had its own flag as well.

Good point. I should have said "countries and organizations." But none of those flags have ever been, nor will ever be, in consideration to be above the US flag.

 

[wpe3bql]

Don't like the "Christian Flag"?

What about this:

https://www.google.com/?gws_rd=ss/#q=Baptist+flag

:smilewinkgrin: :tonofbricks:

 

[Crabtownboy]

Here is a really bad Baptist flag.

https://www.google.com/search?q=Bap...Sehy9HdbM:&usg=__PY-78O_xTicrofyyObb3-IcCmKU=

 

[go2church]

"No servant can serve two masters; for either he will hate the one and love the other, or else he will be devoted to one and despise the other. You cannot serve God and wealth” [Luke 16:13].

Let every person be subject to the governing authorities; for there is no authority except from God, and those authorities that exist have been instituted by God. Therefore whoever resists authority resists what God has appointed, and those who resist will incur judgment. Romans 13:1-2

If you just want to pick a verse here or there, we could day that all day. The whole of scripture says that we are to be good citizens until the government asks us to be unfaithful Christians. So, for now I will be a good citizen, part of which is flying the flag in the manner so prescribed by the government it symbolizes.

 

[Zaac]

Let every person be subject to the governing authorities; for there is no authority except from God, and those authorities that exist have been instituted by God. Therefore whoever resists authority resists what God has appointed, and those who resist will incur judgment. Romans 13:1-2

If you just want to pick a verse here or there, we could day that all day. The whole of scripture says that we are to be good citizens until the government asks us to be unfaithful Christians. So, for now I will be a good citizen, part of which is flying the flag in the manner so prescribed by the government it symbolizes.

Precisely. The folks who are talking about flying this "Christian flag" above the US flag would probably be the first ones to scream bloody murder and unpatriotic if somebody flew an Islam flag or any other religious flag over the US flag.

 

[InTheLight]

Precisely. The folks who are talking about flying this "Christian flag" above the US flag would probably be the first ones to scream bloody murder and unpatriotic if somebody flew an Islam flag or any other religious flag over the US flag.

Or be the first ones to welcome a government program that would enforce their religious views, or welcome a rewrite of textbooks to reflect their false views of history.