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Pat Robinson and Hati
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I voted for "he's on shaky ground". God does and has punished entire nations and entire families and entire entities for things.
However, to presume to speak for God and claim to know exactly why an earthquake occurred is ...... well, it's presumption.
I truly believe that none of us here nor anyone else can claim to know why God allowed what He allowed to happen or cause what He caused to happen in Haiti.
However, to presume to speak for God and claim to know exactly why an earthquake occurred is ...... well, it's presumption.
I truly believe that none of us here nor anyone else can claim to know why God allowed what He allowed to happen or cause what He caused to happen in Haiti.
I too voted for shakey grounds...but wished it was a multiple choice poll because I would have voted for "he's a nute case" as well. Shakey grounds is more related to this issue so it won.
Robertson is everything that is wrong with Christianity.
If he is so worried about the paganism, lack of Gospel, and need for people to repent than he should sell off all his ministry assets, sell all his personal assets, and go down to the country and start building houses and preaching the Gospel to people.
Otherwise he needs to shut up. I appreciated what Pastor Rick Warren said today, he pointed out that whenever punishment and God's judgment is poured out it begins with the Church. He cited, rightly, 1 Peter 4:17:
17For it is time for judgment to begin with the family of God; and if it begins with us, what will the outcome be for those who do not obey the gospel of God?
BTW: I voted for shakey ground because I can't speak for God and am not a prophet or a son of a prophet. Do I believe God still moves in our world and can cause calamity in order to bring people back to His will? Yes. That said I think it is difficult at best to speak for the mind of God and motives of God. It is very bad taste to do it within hours of a great tragedy like this. Pat Robertson needs to go away.
Robertson is everything that is wrong with Christianity.
If he is so worried about the paganism, lack of Gospel, and need for people to repent than he should sell off all his ministry assets, sell all his personal assets, and go down to the country and start building houses and preaching the Gospel to people.
Otherwise he needs to shut up. I appreciated what Pastor Rick Warren said today, he pointed out that whenever punishment and God's judgment is poured out it begins with the Church. He cited, rightly, 1 Peter 4:17:
17For it is time for judgment to begin with the family of God; and if it begins with us, what will the outcome be for those who do not obey the gospel of God?
BTW: I voted for shakey ground because I can't speak for God and am not a prophet or a son of a prophet. Do I believe God still moves in our world and can cause calamity in order to bring people back to His will? Yes. That said I think it is difficult at best to speak for the mind of God and motives of God. It is very bad taste to do it within hours of a great tragedy like this. Pat Robertson needs to go away.
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That was a real choice? I though it was just a pun :laugh:
Well said.. and I agree 100%.. so while you voted on shakey grounds.. I voted he's a nut case... That way both bases are covered! LOL
Pat is a false prophet.. and if he was in the OT would be stoned.. .
sometimes I wonder if he is stoned when he is this stupid...!
And to think at one point he could have had a chance of being President...
{{{{{ tinytim shudders}}}}}
ewwww....
That would be worse than Obama in my mind!
I think we should take Pat and ship him off to Haiti!.. let him live there...
People can't help where they were born.. the people of Haiti ARE caught in false religion.. (some of them) I have connections to some pretty good Christians there... And the religion of Santeria is messed up...
But we are called to be salt and light to these people...
We are also called to know when to shine light and when to shake the salt...
Pat just doesn't know when to do which one!.. he was shaking the salt when he should have been shining the light....
But I still think he is stoned!
ReformedBaptist
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I voted Pat may have a point.
The earthquake may have been an act of judgement against that nation. I don't know the mind of GOd in the matter. God does, has, and will kill people for their wickedness. In fact, he wiped out the entire globe once before save 8 people and a mess of wildlife, and plans to do so again.
The earthquake may have been an act of judgement against that nation. I don't know the mind of GOd in the matter. God does, has, and will kill people for their wickedness. In fact, he wiped out the entire globe once before save 8 people and a mess of wildlife, and plans to do so again.
Joshua Rhodes
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I don't care if Pat Robertson believes this or not... he can be crazy on his own time. But when he broadcasts this crap to the world, it makes our job MUCH harder. He needs to keep his trap shut if he cant do better than this.
Joshua Rhodes
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Yes, God did wipe out some... but to presume that He is doing it every time something disastrous happens seems a little cooky to me. God may allow some things to happen, but to think that all this is His judgment is really presumptuous.
Is that what the news will report during the tribulation?
JR sez:
Judging by this topic on the BB, presumption certainly isn't limited to those who claim the possibility that this is a judgment from God.:sleep:
Joshua Rhodes
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I suppose the light rain we had today was because the squirrels in my yard worship Baal.
Robertson is a classic example of what I call a "beneficiary". Someone who has managed to get through this world of suffering with minimal expense, but rather has "made it" every bit as much as the secular government leaders and entertainers he might criticize. So people like that tend to think that their benefit status is some blessing from God for their faithfulness, or obedience or whatever. (Their secular counterparts think it's because of their "hard work"). Of course, the "faithful" suffer too, but then, it's a "test from God". However, the default state, it seems, for leaders like this is one of power and wealth (benefit). So all they do it look down on others like this, and try to blame some sin in their lives for their disasters. Just like him and Falwell and other fundamentalists on 9-11 and every other catastrophe, even in their own country. It seems nothing ever happens to them, in their "heartland" locations. So they interpret that as the ultimate proof they are the "good guys" in this struggle of the good versus the bad. They thus become smug and engage in this form of confirmation bias whenever tragedy strikes someone else. Of fourse, the French and the rest of the colonizers are never pronounced as being under any curse for their slavery and other cruel acts. No, they've all prospered; showing it was God "giving" them all the land and labor they took. So of course, it's only those colonized people who are wrong and are ever punished by God for their sin. Think about it: they pray to Satan to free them, and this be in opposition to God, who must have directed the colonizers to enslave them; right, Pat?
But who would God have expected more from? Were they even taught about God by the good Christian colonists? Orginally, it was prohibited, according to many accounts. And once they did begin teaching them, it was skewed severely, simply in order to justify the slavery and colonization and subsequent discrimination. But people like Robertson decided long ago that that wasn't sin. Only the departure of society from "traditional Christian values", by the society, (which was actually largely rebelling against all the hypocrisy of that "Christian tradition").
So now, it's like the reward for serving God is comfort and ease in this life, and punishment for sin is calamity in this life. —as well as after this life. Or they'll say it's so "God can get their attention" so they can escape judgment after this life.
Still, the people do not know God (if they're making pacts with the devil).
So what good would be sending some calamity to them, killing millions (who then don't even have any chance to repent or whatever). Who says it would even be recognized as divine punishment?
Everybody cites the Old Testament, but that period is very different from now. For God was regularly manifesting Himself to Israel, and even the surrounding pagans! So when God sent either Israel or those other nations clamity for their sin; they all knew it was punishment. Who ever said that would continue into the New Testement and permanently on the earth? It's not in the NT! Could that be an assumption by people who see an easy justification for their benefit status in a world of suffering?
There is so much suffering in the world, and nobody but cozy armchair prophets like this seems to see any sharp division between obedience to the God of the Bible and prosperity. Of course, looking at it this way points to the prosperity Gospel, which I don't think Robertson holds to, and many other fundamentalists who might think like this would also reject. Yet, it is very much the same principle.
Glad to see most others here are critical of this!
But who would God have expected more from? Were they even taught about God by the good Christian colonists? Orginally, it was prohibited, according to many accounts. And once they did begin teaching them, it was skewed severely, simply in order to justify the slavery and colonization and subsequent discrimination. But people like Robertson decided long ago that that wasn't sin. Only the departure of society from "traditional Christian values", by the society, (which was actually largely rebelling against all the hypocrisy of that "Christian tradition").
So now, it's like the reward for serving God is comfort and ease in this life, and punishment for sin is calamity in this life. —as well as after this life. Or they'll say it's so "God can get their attention" so they can escape judgment after this life.
Still, the people do not know God (if they're making pacts with the devil).
So what good would be sending some calamity to them, killing millions (who then don't even have any chance to repent or whatever). Who says it would even be recognized as divine punishment?
Everybody cites the Old Testament, but that period is very different from now. For God was regularly manifesting Himself to Israel, and even the surrounding pagans! So when God sent either Israel or those other nations clamity for their sin; they all knew it was punishment. Who ever said that would continue into the New Testement and permanently on the earth? It's not in the NT! Could that be an assumption by people who see an easy justification for their benefit status in a world of suffering?
There is so much suffering in the world, and nobody but cozy armchair prophets like this seems to see any sharp division between obedience to the God of the Bible and prosperity. Of course, looking at it this way points to the prosperity Gospel, which I don't think Robertson holds to, and many other fundamentalists who might think like this would also reject. Yet, it is very much the same principle.
Glad to see most others here are critical of this!
Totally agree!:thumbsup:
Agreed 100%; part of me thinks that Robertson should be airlifted in to Port-au-Prince and made to dig victims out with his bare hands - but another part of me realises that that would probably be more of a penance for the Haitians than for him and they're suffering enough already. There is nothing of Christ in this man and, what makes him dangerous is the media exposure he has and the many thousands of gullible Christians his message corrupts. Fortunately, a prominent conservative Christian, Archbishop John Sentamu (of York) has publicly come out to denounce him and suggested that Pat re-read his Bible...
[ETA - Eric, I think there has been at least one hurricane (Isabel?) that made landfall near Pat's home at Virginia Beach, so I think that that messes up his messed-up theology even more]
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Pat also got his Napoleon's wrong - Haiti gained independence in 1804 during the reign of Napoleon I and four years before the birth of Napoleon III - but heaven forfend that Pat be distracted by facts!