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canadyjd

canadyjd

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Jacob59 said:
Hear them next Sunday morning. 50 minutes of preaching what Scripture says in a minute. Whose words are spoken in those other 49 minutes? The Preacher's? Yes?
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That’s kind of vague. Surely a pastor somewhere preached something that you disagreed with.

It seems you don’t like Christians meeting together in organized worship and listening to their pastor expound on God’s word to give them encouragement and guidance in their walk with Christ.

Is that what you are saying?

peace to you
 
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AustinC

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Jacob59 said:
Hear them next Sunday morning. 50 minutes of preaching what Scripture says in a minute. Whose words are spoken in those other 49 minutes? The Preacher's? Yes?
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The precedence for preaching is given in the Bible.

Nehemiah 8:8
They read from the book, from the Law of God, clearly, and they gave the sense, so that the people understood the reading.
 
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Jacob59

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canadyjd said:
That’s kind of vague. Surely a pastor somewhere preached something that you disagreed with.

It seems you don’t like Christians meeting together in organized worship and listening to their pastor expound on God’s word to give them encouragement and guidance in their walk with Christ.

Is that what you are saying?

peace to you
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Not at all. Church worship and a Godly message bring joy to me.

There is a large difference between carefully speaking God's Word with the Spirit of Wisdom, and pounding a loud mouthed sales pitch using Rhetoric Devices ad nauseum. If a condescending Professional Church Talker does not respect his congregation, he will not get my respect.

Make sense? Do you know what a "rhetoric device" is? Maybe not?
 
canadyjd

canadyjd

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Jacob59 said:
Not at all. Church worship and a Godly message bring joy to me.

There is a large difference between carefully speaking God's Word with the Spirit of Wisdom, and pounding a loud mouthed sales pitch using Rhetoric Devices ad nauseum. If a condescending Professional Church Talker does not respect his congregation, he will not get my respect.

Make sense? Do you know what a "rhetoric device" is? Maybe not?
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From what you have posted here and elsewhere I think your definition of “carefully speaking God’s Word with the Spirit of Wisdom” may be very different from mine.

What a person believes about the authority of scripture defines everything else.

peace to you
 
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Jacob59

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Jacob59 said:
Not at all. Church worship and a Godly message bring joy to me.

There is a large difference between carefully speaking God's Word with the Spirit of Wisdom, and pounding a loud mouthed sales pitch using Rhetoric Devices ad nauseum. If a condescending Professional Church Talker does not respect his congregation, he will not get my respect.

Make sense? Do you know what a "rhetoric device" is? Maybe not?
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Jacob59

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Yes, so true. The authority of Scripture is entirely self disclosed within Scripture. Neither white knuckled verbage nor mindless consensus nor arrogant Academia will establish the authority of Scripture.
 
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Jacob59

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canadyjd said:
From what you have posted here and elsewhere I think your definition of “carefully speaking God’s Word with the Spirit of Wisdom” may be very different from mine.

What a person believes about the authority of scripture defines everything else.

peace to you
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See my response above.
 
canadyjd

canadyjd

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Jacob59 said:
Yes, so true. The authority of Scripture is entirely self disclosed within Scripture. Neither white knuckled verbage nor mindless consensus nor arrogant Academia will establish the authority of Scripture.
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Which really says nothing about your view of the authority of scripture.

It would appear everything you disagree with is put into your “pot of soup” which is vaguely defined as “white knuckled verbiage, mindless consensus, imaginary speculation and so on.

Maybe you could educate me. Is your “pot of soup” a rhetorical device? If you are so opposed to “rhetorical devices” why do you use them?

Cant you just speak plainly what you are trying to say?

peace to you
 
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Jacob59 said:
Make sense? Do you know what a "rhetoric device" is? Maybe not?
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Rhetorical device - Wikipedia

Sure I do...
I've used them myself, ( more so in the past ) but mostly in an effort to get the reader to stop and look really hard at the ramifications of a particular teaching about the Bible, or even more importantly, what the words on the page actually state and how they relate to other passages that say the same ( or a similar ) thing.

More than anything, I tend towards "logos" as a method of persuasion and leave out any appeals to emotion.
Regarding discourse level, I sometimes prefer to use a little amplification and pleonasm, as well as antanagoge.
I've been known to use hyperbole, but I'm getting past that, by God's grace.
I hate innuendo, as well as desiring to get away from procatalepsis as much as possible.
I've recently used hypophora and still do, while I make regular use of metanoia.


I don't use sonic devices, nor do I feel the need to make use of word repetition, word relation, or much in the way of irony or imagery ( like I once did )...
Except in the case of metaphor ( rarely ), simile ( equally as rarely ), and once in a great while metonymy.

I do use synechdoches fairly often, though.

What I find personally interesting, is that I'd never learned any of this through speech class, debate class or any other means...
Some things just came to me in the process of interacting with people, and then I saw that many of the tactics that I had learned when I was younger, were against the Lord's commands ( like derision, innuendo, diasyrmus, aporia, and irony ) regarding Christian conduct.

In my short time here, I've noticed that this forum is literally filled with rhetorical devices on both sides of this subject.
Hopefully I'll abandon them someday altogether, and simply let God's word do all the speaking.

He doesn't need any help from me anyway.:)
 
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canadyjd said:
Which really says nothing about your view of the authority of scripture.

It would appear everything you disagree with is put into your “pot of soup” which is vaguely defined as “white knuckled verbiage, mindless consensus, imaginary speculation and so on.

Maybe you could educate me. Is your “pot of soup” a rhetorical device? If you are so opposed to “rhetorical devices” why do you use them?

Cant you just speak plainly what you are trying to say?

peace to you
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Seems to be stating limited inspiration of the bible, as only parts really from God!
 
canadyjd

canadyjd

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Yeshua1 said:
Seems to be stating limited inspiration of the bible, as only parts really from God!
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I honestly don’t know exactly what he is trying to say, but he appears to question the authority of certain books in the Bible.

peace to you
 
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