Featured Paul's Model for Soul Winning

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"Reformed,

Thanks for this solid post and instructive input. I wanted to take this opportunity to clarify some of what I have posted as with the distractions going on it might have been obscured.

I understand.

I agree here as I posted earlier.God sends His word,

8 For my thoughts are not your thoughts, neither are your ways my ways, saith the Lord.

9 For as the heavens are higher than the earth, so are my ways higher than your ways, and my thoughts than your thoughts.

10 For as the rain cometh down, and the snow from heaven, and returneth not thither, but watereth the earth, and maketh it bring forth and bud, that it may give seed to the sower, and bread to the eater:

11 So shall my word be that goeth forth out of my mouth: it shall not return unto me void, but it shall accomplish that which I please, and it shall prosper in the thing whereto I sent it.

Again I agree to a certain extent here, with the exception of what I bolded in red
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Now I know I can take my time and clarify my answer to you because you are not playing any kind of twisted word games, looking for a "gotcha Post". You are not substituting any words to change the meaning and intent of what I posted, trying to make as if what I posted was a contradiction.
No Reformed, we have posted back and forth many times and I am confident that if you have a bone to pick with me you will do so, from scripture and not from any bearing of false witness, dishonest posting, lying, gossip, or any such nonsense.
I am confident that you post as a Christian Man, not a two-faced weasel. We do agree many times, and there are times where what I post and how I do it, may not be the path you would take, and that is fine.
NOW You state;

I agree with this as written, but qualify what I mean in this thread, in this way:
Scripture is true and authoritative to all men, saved and unsaved.
Now when I speak of a model and pattern used by The Apostles, I speak of the necessity of establishing the scriptures as the word of God, written.

What do I mean? Am I as some might suggest contradicting myself? No, let me explain.
As an unsaved person is was completely ignorant of the claims the bible made about itself. When a well-intentioned "soul winner" came my way, I would easily put them on the defensive by shifting the battle away from scriptural authority to an argument of who are you to inflict YOUR ideas on me or anyone else?
As a new Christian trying to present the gospel I saw that many of the unsaved would offer intellectual arguments or religious ones, RC mythology and the like. It dawned on me I did the same thing when I was a non Christian rebel.
Studying Hebrews 1;1-3 and hearing sermons on the topic , going to lively bible studies with saints who were more mature, speaking face to face with several godly pastors on this topic, I was able to see the flaws in what I was doing, then see the biblical truth unfolded.

going to start part two here:

 

part2;

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Agreed! It is so in truth..

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I have spoken with many , many people, mostly Catholics. They have no concept of scripture as the word of God, I am speaking about Jesus own words; for example;jn8
43 Why do ye not understand my speech? even because ye cannot hear my word.

44 Ye are of your father the devil, and the lusts of your father ye will do. He was a murderer from the beginning, and abode not in the truth, because there is no truth in him. When he speaketh a lie, he speaketh of his own: for he is a liar, and the father of it.

45 And because I tell you the truth, ye believe me not.

46 Which of you convinceth me of sin? And if I say the truth, why do ye not believe me?

47 He that is of God heareth God's words: ye therefore hear them not, because ye are not of God.

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47 And if any man hear my words, and believe not, I judge him not: for I came not to judge the world, but to save the world.

48 He that rejecteth me, and receiveth not my words, hath one that judgeth him: the word that I have spoken, the same shall judge him in the last day.


The word of God is the word of God 24/7...but unsaved people mostly do not know it. They need to know they are going to be judged by the word on the last day. They need to understand the set up given in scripture.

Then as we present truth from scripture, even if they do not believe it, you place that seed that it is not your opinion, or my opinion, but it is ...WHAT SAYETH THE SCRIPTURE?
Then when we open a bible to selected verses, they can ponder what we say if the Spirit is drawing them.
The word of God does not change at all, Their view of scripture can be changed ,the word then can be quickened by the Spirit if He will.

Telling anecdotal stories can remove an obstacle here or there, but the scripture is what gets the job done.

[QUOTE]but their refusal to do so does not change the fact that scripture is those things.[/QUOTE]
Correct, however making them aware of the direct statements that they are subject to God's word can motivate them to see if it is so.
I would often challenge unsaved persons to read the bible for themselves regarless if they believed it or not. i would ask them to just see what it says, whether they believes or not.

Agreed, correct...

 

["JonC

I do not disagree with reformed, I understand what he posted as he posted it. If a person reads it as posted they will understand it just fine.

No...I do not read it that way.

Reformed does not change the wording.
Reformed does not try and put words in my mouth as if I said them.
When he has something to say , he does it honestly.

 

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JonC posts this;

You were answered 3 times, you saw them, they were your own posts.

A complete falsehood once again. Can you post my own words saying any such thing?

Then show any post where I said this in my own words...you cannot, but you post this as if it were true.

[QUOTE]so that you may reexamine your view and hopefully correct its errors. I already told you that I stick with Scripture and not these types of formulas and methods. [/QUOTE]

Show one, we will wait for your evidence

 

JonC,

 

In Hebrews 1:1-3 we are told of God's design in giving special revelation to mankind.
The Lord Jesus Christ coming from the highest height came down as the full final revelation of the triune God.
He came as the promised seed, He came as the promised Servant of The Lord .. Isa.49-53.
We could not begin to know this without all that came before it in scripture.
When we are being used to win the lost, the more of God's word we can offer, the more seed that can take root in those outside the Kingdom.
It is not our clever illustrations, intellect, or philosophy, but rather the word of God, the truth of God, being sown in love that is used by the Spirit to quicken dead sinners.
This Hebrews one passage speaks to all of redemptive history,as we see when Stephen recites an outline of all of it before being put to death by.unsaved religious persons.
He exposed their.unbelief disguised by a religious veneer by scripturally presenting Jesus as Lord and central to world history. He demonstrated how their fathers resisted the grace of God even unto death. They were resisting obvious truth even as professed believers

In "soul winning" there are times when an unbelievers idols must be slain to make way for King Jesus and His Kingdom to be shown for what they are,ie, preeminent.
Paul highlights this saying man by wisdom knew not God.
Paul learned of Jesus, we read the results in scripture.
He encourages us to be followers of him.

 

yes Reformed
sad but true. I have offered help many times but these offers are rejected by several means;
1] flat out denial

2]changing a word or phrase,them making pretend that Icon posted it the way it was re-written

3] after changing words like introducing superior, or necessary, then it goes to suggesting the false dichotomy..

4] any answer is dismissed as ad hominem, even when directly quoting the person.

5] this gets pointed out, and Icon asks for a quote using my words themselves.

6] the quote is never produced because it was fabricated.

7] no matter what Icon posts from the bible itself, it is ignored and an effort is made to move away from the issue.

8] Icon tries to continue but an effort is made to portray icon as the bad guy.

9] Any reader can read through any thread and see a pattern, an M.O.

 

i answered you fully 3 or 4 times,hope you read them before they vanished.
my premise is true,100%
it has been shown in this thread.
you offered your opinion but have not made your point.